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re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:36 am to CAD703X
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:36 am to CAD703X
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are we going to have this thread every single day now?
I mean, who doesn't enjoy the irony that at least half of the people complaining about people utilizing these drugs to lose weight are also fat themselves. And are railing that they should be able to do it without the drug, when they're not doing anything to lose weight either.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:37 am to Cheese Grits
quote:well not really........you work your body hard, you age faster. Look at roughnecks who have been doing in since they were really young..... they look 65 at 45.
Hard work at an early age makes you independent, self reliant, and conditions your body to stay fit longer as you age.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:37 am to WeeWee
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regulating appetite
regardless of what you want to think it still a choice.
Most of us are more than happy to sit down and pig out on junk food. it completely gratifying and fun. some of choose not to or at least not regularly, some of us dont.
there are plenty of times where i am hungry but dont eat because i know i dont need to. Yes this drug curbs that effects of hunger, but when it comes down to it, either you have willpower or you dont.
i honestly do not care if people use chemical help to achieve a goal. However, lets not something what is not. this is not validation that you had a biological problem, it always was a problem of self control and self responsibility. Something sorely lacking in a lot of people.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:38 am to BluegrassBelle
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I mean, who doesn't enjoy the irony that at least half of the people complaining about people utilizing these drugs to lose weight are also fat themselves.
I am betting it is way more than half. Lot of self loathers pimping their insecurities on others is way easier than doing their own heavy lifting.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:43 am to CarRamrod
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well not really........you work your body hard, you age faster. Look at roughnecks who have been doing in since they were really young..... they look 65 at 45.
Not true. I may one of the oldest posters on this board and folks guess me for 20 - 30 years younger. Worked hard all my life at some brutal jobs. Lifestyle has something to do with early aging like women who tanned way too much and look like shoe leather at 40 or guys working construction who blew it over the weekend with poor choices. I agree those folks get aged very quickly.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:45 am to Earnest_P
Some of y'all need to read In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan. He talks about how we are killing ourselves with processed food. His mantra: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." It's an eye opening read, and I believe he has a show.
It's all so ridiculous. Americans are in this pickle not because of big pharma or big grocery - they're in it because of the insane rise of fast food.
Just drive around town and look at the lines around Cane's and Chick fil A. The calories in a Caniac are what most people need in a DAY. And they'll eat that for one meal!
Look in people's buggies at the store. People are waddling around with nothing but junk to take home.
And I truly hate the notion that healthy food is expensive. Please. You know what's expensive? Chips and soft drinks. By meat on sale and stick it in the freezer. In season fresh vegetables are dirt cheap. And what's really cheap? Seeds!! Feel free to plant some stuff if you have space. It's very easy to grow food, especially in south Louisiana.
But the truth is, you'll never hear these things from a doctor, because the vast majority of our medical industry depends on us keeping ourselves sick.
It's really very sad.
It's all so ridiculous. Americans are in this pickle not because of big pharma or big grocery - they're in it because of the insane rise of fast food.
Just drive around town and look at the lines around Cane's and Chick fil A. The calories in a Caniac are what most people need in a DAY. And they'll eat that for one meal!
Look in people's buggies at the store. People are waddling around with nothing but junk to take home.
And I truly hate the notion that healthy food is expensive. Please. You know what's expensive? Chips and soft drinks. By meat on sale and stick it in the freezer. In season fresh vegetables are dirt cheap. And what's really cheap? Seeds!! Feel free to plant some stuff if you have space. It's very easy to grow food, especially in south Louisiana.
But the truth is, you'll never hear these things from a doctor, because the vast majority of our medical industry depends on us keeping ourselves sick.
It's really very sad.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:45 am to WeeWee
Biology on goes so far in making you fat or preventing you from losing weight.
If you eat right and exercise, you will not get fat.
Now, individual biology/metabolism may mean some people have an easier time with weight and can eat more/exercise less than others.
But regardless of biology, if you put out more calories than you take in, you cannot get fat
If you eat right and exercise, you will not get fat.
Now, individual biology/metabolism may mean some people have an easier time with weight and can eat more/exercise less than others.
But regardless of biology, if you put out more calories than you take in, you cannot get fat
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:54 am to Epic Cajun
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It doesn’t say that, it says that the brain controls appetite. But your fatass still has the choice in how much you are going to eat.
There are different parts of the brain in play. Genetic expression affects the brain on conscious and unconscious levels. It's the unconscious level where the appetite suppression effect it. If it is an unconscious level of the brain that is being affected that makes the change then it is not up to the conscious brain to make a choice. Also gene expression affects the regulation of metabolism. Some people's genes are screw them into having a low metabolism even if their thyroid is properly regulated. Those people aren't going to burn fat efficiently because their genes won't let them. It would take years of proper dieting and exercising to get the genes to change their expression pattern to allow a new set point.
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But your fatass still has the choice in how much you are going to eat.
1. I am not obese.
2. It is obviously not as simple eating and exercising properly or else it would be a lot easier to combat obesity.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:55 am to WeeWee
quote:FALSE
Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.
Biology can make losing weight more difficult for some.
But if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. Nothing in biology can change basic physics.
Your body is 100% unable to create mass out of thin air.
Find me just one scientist that disagrees. Just one.
Ozempic curbs hunger and makes you feel full, which makes you consume less. The person could suffer through and consume less. That is psychology, not biology. It is still willpower.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:57 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:the OT...where NO ONE EVER EATS AT MCDONALDS
I mean, who doesn't enjoy the irony that at least half of the people complaining about people utilizing these drugs to lose weight are also fat themselves. And are railing that they should be able to do it without the drug, when they're not doing anything to lose weight either.
also the OT - WHY THE SHAKE MACHINE BROKE AGAIN TODAY?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:57 am to Northshoretiger87
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“isn’t so much about willpower: It’s about biology. ”
Coming from the same scientists who say “masks work.”
I don't believe in masks unless it is a properly fitted N95. Then I only believe they work for healthcare workers and others within feet of someone with covid. However, they do work great at blocking the smell of nasty wounds, patient's BO, patient's vaginal discharge, and shite. So I always keep one in my pocket for stanky situations.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:58 am to WeeWee
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The amount is like a setting on a dial, or what many researchers call a “set point” or “defended fat mass.” The brain maintains the dial setting or set point by regulating how much a person eats.
The dial is fricked up due to their own food choices and over-eating.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:00 am to WeeWee
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is obviously not as simple eating and exercising properly or else it would be a lot easier to combat obesity.
You are asserting that eating less than maintenance calories does not cause weight loss?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:01 am to WeeWee
quote:typing that as a sentence is not the same as doing it.
2. It is obviously not as simple eating and exercising properly or else it would be a lot easier to combat obesity.
It is that simple, as a concept. Dealing with hunger as you eat less, and making your fat arse get out of bed or off the couch and exercise is hard. It takes willpower and discipline.
It is hard.
I HATE going to the gym in the morning, most days. fricking hate it. But I know it will make me feel better after, and I will feel like shite if I don't.
I hate not eating what I want. It sucks. But I keep on truckin' because I don't want to be 300+ lbs again. I don't want to get winded going to get the mail, or have trouble breathing when I lay on my back.
quote:Simple to type, simple in concept, hard to do.
as simple eating and exercising properly
So hard, that fat people would rather stay fat than deal with the difficulty.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:02 am to WeeWee
You
Must be a fat arse. Changer your fricking diet dumbasses. Quit eating high carb foods. I can’t do that I’ll take that new pill that aint gonna help your dibetes. Stay fat and don’t take control of your life that’s what pharma wants
Must be a fat arse. Changer your fricking diet dumbasses. Quit eating high carb foods. I can’t do that I’ll take that new pill that aint gonna help your dibetes. Stay fat and don’t take control of your life that’s what pharma wants
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:03 am to DevilDagNS
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So, its an appetite suppressant? How is this groundbreaking? You know what else is an appetite suppressant? Water.
its groundbreaking because the way it works but its not really groundbreaking as glp-1 drugs have been around for 15 years now in trials and almost a decade in use for diabetes.
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Also, wouldn't you get the same or similar result through ketosis wherein you limit your sugar/carb intake and force your body to use fat as its primary fuel source rather than glucose
you are right on ketosis using bodyfat as fuel but the overall body fat loss is the same on diets with containing carbs and those not containing carbs once calories and protein are equated across the board. so its the caloric deficit causing the body fat loss, not the ketosis itself.
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I still fail to see how this is not primarily driven by lifestyle vs. chemestry.
obesity is 100% a choice. if it wasnt the drugs would not work at all. they prove that if you eat less....you weigh less. they do not ramp up metabolism in any way or form. they simply control hunger through controlling gastric emptying, controlling insulin and blunting ghrelin release.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:03 am to Robin Masters
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frick the medical Industrial complex.
Yes f**k them. Why spend money on medications to combat diabetes which causes $297,000,000,000.00 in healthcare costs and obesity which causes $147,000,000,000.00 in healthcare costs per year? We should let costs continue to rise without doing anything to stop it or slow it.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:03 am to WeeWee
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It is obviously not as simple eating and exercising properly or else it would be a lot easier to combat obesity.
It actually is that easy but people don't want to do it. Takes actual effort. Welp.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:07 am to Roaad
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But if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. Nothing in biology can change basic physics.
Your body is 100% unable to create mass out of thin air.
Find me just one scientist that disagrees. Just one.
its not that simple. biology has a 'want' to survive and if it feels things are out of balance (such as rapid weight loss) it will retaliate and you'll reach a state where you simply can't move the scales despite what appears to be a HUGE difference between your basal metabolic rate and calories you've counted.
there is something else at work here..your body turns into Duck McScrooge and its holding onto those individual calories
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:09 am to Cheese Grits
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Use that as example for a younger person, I can assure you when you start collecting your Social Security checks that number is closer to 600.
Makes sense now ….
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