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re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:30 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:30 am to Epic Cajun
Relevant from WSJ comments:
- "Your brain chemistry dictates that you satisfy yourself with tater tots instead of carrots"
- "Why isn't this scientific finding applicable to most of the rest of the world or any prior era of history"
- "Your brain chemistry dictates that you satisfy yourself with tater tots instead of carrots"
- "Why isn't this scientific finding applicable to most of the rest of the world or any prior era of history"
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:32 am to Uncle JackD
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Half of y’all dipshits bitching about likely have a BMI >30
But its muscle.
Dont you know, NFL linebackers have high BMIs bc of their build. Same problem for TigerBaw69.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:34 am to Duke
quote:I'm one of those who can eat and eat and eat. I can down 4 pounds of boudin in an hour, eat a "party size" bag of Doritos, gobble up dozens of fried oysters, and eat an entire 18 inch pizza and have on a fairly regular basis. I have a huge appetite and was 35-45 pounds overweight for the last decade. My parents were obese, my sister is obese. I've lost all of that weight over the last 5 months because I decided I wanted to be a healthy 50 year old and began noticing the swollen, edematous, purple ankles of heavy people younger than me out in public. It's sad. Poor venous return and skin breakdown. Not that I was close to that, but I decided that wasn't a path for me. Now, I count calories, which is very easy and I jog increasing distances. If my gluttonous arse can do it, 99%:of obese people can do it.
Sure but the fight isnt the same for everyone
Funny thing, people probably think I'm taking these meds.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:34 am to WaydownSouth
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Obesity is 100% a choice.
I think 100% is kinda ridiculous.
There are all kinds of factors in many different people.
Its ok to say that for MOST people, its mostly about choices. For some they are genetically predisposed AND the choices they make don't help, and for a few they are just kinda fricked.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:35 am to Epic Cajun
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You can “defeat” those urges.
Theoretically, yes.
Practically, it's hard to face basically the harshest addiction with a perfect response for most people, especially when there are other issues (like hormonal impacts from things like cortisol or psychological obsessive compulsions...often working in conjunction with each other) combined with modern life.
It's possible but it's EXTREMELY difficult for some people.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:35 am to Huey Lewis
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Obesity ruins a person's hormones. Obese people with ruined hormones then blame their obesity on their ruined hormones rather than blaming their hormones on their obesity.
And yet, if you fix the hormones, suddenly it's quite easy to drop the last bit of weight that seemed unwilling to move.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:37 am to WeeWee
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The brain is the body’s chief chemist, regulating appetite and making it difficult for many people to shed pounds and keep them off.
..because they have conditioned themselves over their life to eat and eat and eat.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:39 am to WeeWee
I have a diagnosed thyroid condition that will require medication for the rest of my life and absolutely impacts metabolism.
But I put on weight/am fat because I eat like shite, drink too much and don't exercise enough (because when I engage in good behaviors, I lose that weight).
So, keep enabling fatties.
But I put on weight/am fat because I eat like shite, drink too much and don't exercise enough (because when I engage in good behaviors, I lose that weight).
So, keep enabling fatties.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:39 am to WeeWee
The fact that appetite suppressants work kind of prove a different point.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:40 am to Finnish
I am not a doctor but I have been on Ozempic for three months. I have lost about 20 pounds but I certainly cannot just rely on the drug to lose weight. Eating ice cream every night or potato chips will keep you heavy even if you take Ozempic.
Ozempic has helped me with food cravings and that helps me with making better meal choices. I did feel satisfied with protein and less carbs.
I do have type 2 diabetes. I have been diabetic for 23 years.
Ozempic has helped me with food cravings and that helps me with making better meal choices. I did feel satisfied with protein and less carbs.
I do have type 2 diabetes. I have been diabetic for 23 years.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Theoretically, yes.
Practically, it's hard to face basically the harshest addiction with a perfect response for most people, especially when there are other issues (like hormonal impacts from things like cortisol or psychological obsessive compulsions...often working in conjunction with each other) combined with modern life.
It's possible but it's EXTREMELY difficult for some people.
Are these people eating vegetables when they "have" to satisfy their hunger urges? If you want to argue that they are addicted to eating, and they "have" to satisfy those urges, do they have to also satisfy them by eating a fastfood cheeseburger? Also, what are the negative ramifications of not satisfying their hunger urges? They are hungry....okay. This is not a chemical dependency, they aren't going to die if they don't eat a cheeseburger.
This is all about the immediate gratification that people are addicted to. They want the immediate gratification of overeating at the expense of their long term health.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:43 am to WeeWee
Nah it’s because you got a frosty and a triple stack or a caniac and sweet tea.
Let’s get real here… calories in, calories out.
Let’s get real here… calories in, calories out.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
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I think 100% is kinda ridiculous.
There are all kinds of factors in many different people.
Its ok to say that for MOST people, its mostly about choices. For some they are genetically predisposed AND the choices they make don't help, and for a few they are just kinda fricked.
I think it's akin to other addiction, though not in the way some mean.
It's all voluntary at some point. Your story may be compelling, like you started drinking because you were abused and it spiraled, or got addicted to pills because of back surgery, but the societal impulse to remove any element of personal responsibility from destructive behavior is really, really bad and going to continue to bear awful results for our culture.
Obesity is similar, although more often less defensible. I hear stories about women with PCOS and such who can't lose weight when eating 1400 calories a day and exercising, but I think that's rare. If CICO isn't working for someone over prolonged and serious effort, it's more likely the result of not having a food scale than it is thyroid.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:45 am to WeeWee
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.
Where were all the fat people in 1950?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:46 am to Klingler7
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Ozempic has helped me with food cravings and that helps me with making better meal choices. I did feel satisfied with protein and less carbs.
Changing your diet does this too.
Seems like you are doing that while on ozempic.
I don’t crave sugary drinks because I just completely cut them out of my diet years ago. I bet I wouldn’t even enjoy sugar or some flavor in my coffee it’s been so long. It would be too sweet.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:48 am to Cosmo
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Where were all the fat people in 1950?
Smoking cigarettes.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:49 am to WeeWee
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not
Lol this is just so brainless it’s not worth arguing against.
As for the article in the OP, it’s remarkable how often “news” lines up with profit motives.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:51 am to WeeWee
The desire for people in this country to turn to Pharma or medical procedures at every turn then complain about insurance and healthcare costs in this country is laughable.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:52 am to WeeWee
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.
of course SOME aren't fat because of their choices. However, the vast majority are.
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The new set point lasts as long as a patient is on the drug, they say. Patients who ate a lot before they started taking one of the drugs feel less hungry and fill up more quickly—sometimes after one slice of pizza when they once ate the whole pie.
The problem with this is, if you are full after 1 slice of pizza, you aren't going to get nearly enough calories in a day. Even a large slice of pizza is less than 400 calories. A male should not be eating less than like 1800 calories for almost any reason.
Oh and I can't imagine that these new medications are trying to sell drugs and make money. There is NO WAY they have any sort of ulterior motives to say this
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:53 am to Pettifogger
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It's all voluntary at some point. Your story may be compelling, like you started drinking because you were abused and it spiraled, or got addicted to pills because of back surgery,
Again, you won't solve anything by stopping because the reason these addictions are present are more than just the substance.
You'll either stop for a while and go back or develop other addictions.
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, but the societal impulse to remove any element of personal responsibility from destructive behavior is really, really bad and going to continue to bear awful results for our culture.
This really doesn't have much to do with taking medicine that helps combat pathological behaviors. That does involve personal responsibility.
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