re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished

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any chance we think Congress overturns this? a lot of seats to potentially lose next year

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Hell no. Look at how few people who use the internet daily even understand it. The average Facebook user doesn't give a shite about NN, and the drawbacks of the repeal won't be felt for a while, but they're coming.

Also, I'm not really sure how congress would go about changing it anyway.

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ISPs =/= free market no matter how much you want it to be. That argument is ignorant. It's a better example of a free market than it was under NN.

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How does net neutrality negatively impact ISP oligopolies?

I want ISPs to be a free market too, but until that's even remotely possible, net neutrality was a needed consumer protection. It's that simple.

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So, we found the problem.

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There is no magical fairy dust that is going turn this market space into a highly competitive market. That is the issue here. If you could wave a wand and turn the land internet market into perfectly competitive space where everyone is a price taker and barriers to entry are much lower NN would potentially be unnecessary. But until a major breakthrough in technology or some yet to be discovered business model emerges, that is not going to be possible. No matter how many shitty state laws you repeal that ISP’s have lobbied for to insulate themselves from what market pressure could emerge in some places.

I really think your perverse understanding of economics is crippling you on this topic.

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Well, the the gov’t is basically letting 4-5 huge ISP they’re in bed with

So, we found the problem.

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These are two distinct arguments being made. You and stout seem to think this opens up competition for ISPs.

Meanwhile, the major supporters of this deal were the major ISPs.

Ask yourself, "Self, if this repeal is good for competition, why would the companies most negatively impacted by competition be FOR the repeal?"

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These are two distinct arguments being made. You and stout seem to think this opens up competition for ISPs.

Meanwhile, the major supporters of this deal were the major ISPs.

Ask yourself, "Self, if this repeal is good for competition, why would the companies most negatively impacted by competition be FOR the repeal?"

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Because Reddit is against it, and there's a lot of liberals in that site. So if they're mad, is obviously a good thing.


Or at least I think that's their logic.

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People who are ok with this either 1)don’t understand how the internet works and what neutrality is, 2) have an unrealistic view of how easy it will be for new ISP’s to emerge as viable alternatives in the majority of markets, 3) have a mind boggling optimistic view that huge corporations won’t take advantage of the deregulation they just orchestrated to screw over the majority of internet users

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It really is insane. I mean even a light dive into this topic and you would find we are having to highly subsidize the infastructure costs just to get even a single provider of high speed broadband into many markets in the country. Yet people are under the delusion this can magically turn into some highly competitive market across the country.

Thankfully, I think it is largely just a vocal minority that give a false sense of public division on this issue, since the most recent survey had 84% approval rating for NN amongst citizens, including 3 in 4 Republicans.

Y’all are forgetting the #1 reason to support the repeal


We get to own the libs boys *throws up a hand for a high five*

This does give providers a clear avenue to stop illegal streams....which they well should.

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This does give providers a clear avenue to stop illegal streams....which they well should

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Anyone that has a kid or nephew and received a letter from their ISP about illegal content downloads or potential illegal activity knows there are already legal avenues for them to handle that.

And if there are some sort of hole in the laws that don’t cover something, you cover the hole, you don’t abandon the fair play arrangement the internet thrives on to address that, opening up enormous potential secondary consequences and abuses by these natural monopolies in the process.

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Explain to me have the FCC voting to repeal government regulation is in any way an example of the government regulating how a business can run its business.

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Okay, let's make sure we are on the same page. The NN rule prevented big communications companies like AT&T, Cox, Charter, etc from being able to favor websites by slowing down websites they don't want their customers to view and speeding up websites they prefer their customers to see right?

Now that they voted to repeal the NN rule, ISP how has the power to control what their customers are able to see right?

So when it comes to what these companies want their customers to see, do you think they are more likely to show information that makes those who support their best interest, look good?

Do you think this was a vote in the best interest of the people? This vote is in the best interest of the few. If I am wrong, then who all benefits from this?