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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I'm still waiting for you to tell me that Britain's good doctor Fauci equivalent didn't recently state that 60% of the Covid hospitalizations in the country are vaccinated individuals.
I'm curious of what you think the "gotcha" is here. Do you think it's more likely that he mixed up the 60% number being vaccinated vs unvaccinated, or that he let the secret slip that 60% of hospitalizations are vaccinated people, and there's a massive conspiracy to keep this data (that contrasts the data of all other countries keeping track) hidden to make the vaccine look better?
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:22 pm to Salmon
quote:Like a mute or like 08?
I'm a dumb person.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:24 pm to lsupride87
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They dont have time for that. You likely only have another 5-7 days in rise in hospitalizations before the fall happens
I saw your post on that and I hope so. Not sure the math works as linear as you put it though.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:24 pm to WDE24
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Like a mute or like 08?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:26 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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That guy has no power.
Of course he does. He wouldn't all of a sudden be so popular among a certain demographic if he didn't. The appeal to authority is very powerful.
You literally used it earlier.
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The MRNA guy is simply a single data point for me, I Don't think he's any kind of Savior or anything of the sort.
Except you used him a single data point to hand wave away 30 years worth of mRNA data.
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The only reason people feel so strongly about this is because of the weight that comes from coercion, media pressure and eventual government force.
Nope. I simply think vaccines are overall a good thing for society as a whole.
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People that haven't gotten the shot don't want to be forced to, and people that have gotten the shot don't seem to mind forcing people into it.
Literally no one here has advocated for force or mandates.
Most of the pro-vaccine crowd can just see the future, and the more COVID spreads, the more likely it is to mutate to where the vaccines are no longer effective and we continue down this retarded path of restrictions.
The more COVID hangs around, the more likely the COVID vaccines become like the flu shot in that they have to "remix" it every year to fight the new strains.
We could potentially get rid of this virus, for the most part, now.
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That's the dividing line, that's what we are arguing about.
That is what you are arguing about in your own head.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I'm still waiting for you to tell me that Britain's good doctor Fauci equivalent didn't recently state that 60% of the Covid hospitalizations in the country are vaccinated individuals.
Just go look at the UKs case count now vs previous surges. Find a time of similar new case growth.
Then look at the hospitalizations and deaths from those periods.
You'll see how the hospitalizations aren't tracking case numbers like before. Which is what you'd expect if the vaccines are working but the entire population isn't vaccinated and the new variant is super contagious.
This is all without getting cute with time periods or unvaxxed vs vaxxed.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:36 pm to Salmon
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The more COVID hangs around, the more likely the COVID vaccines become like the flu shot in that they have to "remix" it every year to fight the new strains.
We could potentially get rid of this virus, for the most part, now.
We can't. It won't go away. "The cure for the common cold" is a punchline because these viruses just don't go away. They mutate until they're not much of a problem, but eventually one comes back and is a cold again.
Covid myopia, and a mandated lack of treatment is the only reason it's still an issue.
Look I also think vaccines are generally a good thing, but your "just get it so we can end the restrictions" is the biggest appeal to authority there's ever been anywhere, and it is the position of the people who would mandate these things for people that don't want it... For control, not eradication.
What I see when I see a post like yours is "that guy would have no problem if the government/industrial complex forces people like me."
We are constantly talking past each other because of it, and I don't think most on the pro-shot side recognize what it translates to for the "other side" in these discussions.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:36 pm to lsupride87
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Haven't had a flu shot in 24 years. Haven't had the flu in over 23 years.
I guarantee you have had the flu
You just havent ever felt the need to be tested for it to be told you had the flu
Who's to say that it would not be any different if he contracted covid? There are plenty of people who have the antibodies, yet never knew they had covid.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:38 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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We can't.
We probably could have for the most part.
That is incredibly unlikely to happen now.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:40 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:If you would just get the jab we wouldn’t have to worry about this.
We are constantly talking past each other because of it, and I don't think most on the pro-shot side recognize what it translates to for the "other side" in these discussions.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:44 pm to Slagathor
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my dude, the other main source of research funding is government
Fully aware. And people wonder why they (reports) aren't believed. I understand I'll never get accurate information on this, so I'm doing what I can until I either have the info to make me comfortable taking it or the government threatens my family's well being, which I assume is coming sooner than later. The rhetoric is already strong and it's just starting.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:44 pm to WDE24
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If you would just get the jab we wouldn’t have to worry about this.
Well done.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:46 pm to TBoy
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The only thing that isn't working is the right wing pivot of support away from the vaccine effort because Trump lost the election.
Blacks are the ones not getting vaccinated. Just about all the conservatives I know over 40 are vaccinated
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:48 pm to ShoeBang
I can’t fathom someone actually being as painfully stupid as you’re coming off in your comments here.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:52 pm to kisatchie53
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Blacks are the ones not getting vaccinated.
On this timeline, black people are Trump supporters.
It doesn't have to make sense.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:59 pm to Fun Bunch
Totally anecdotal, but...
I currently have COVID and was at OLOL on Monday Night receiving the monoclonal antibody infusion (I qualified cause im fat) and the doctor told me that the vaccines aren't doing shite to stop transmission of the Delta variant. I was shocked to hear him say that but I was questioning him about it because i'm vaccinated and so are quite a few other people that I know who are currently dealing with COVID.
I currently have COVID and was at OLOL on Monday Night receiving the monoclonal antibody infusion (I qualified cause im fat) and the doctor told me that the vaccines aren't doing shite to stop transmission of the Delta variant. I was shocked to hear him say that but I was questioning him about it because i'm vaccinated and so are quite a few other people that I know who are currently dealing with COVID.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:03 pm to ShoeBang
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And people wonder why they (reports) aren't believed
To be fair though, lots of people believe other info that aligns with what they've already done (like childhood vaccines, etc.)... this is just baseless cherrypicking IMO. I do empathize with many because of how downright deafening the polarizing rhetoric has become.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:06 pm to Slagathor
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childhood vaccines, etc.)... this is just baseless cherrypicking IMO
The only thing is those vaccines have been around long enough to know what the long term risks are. It is literally impossible to have the same info on the Covid Vaccine. You say cherrypicking I say being thorough and cautious.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:08 pm to ShoeBang
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The only thing is those vaccines have been around long enough to know what the long term risks are. It is literally impossible to have the same info on the Covid Vaccine. You say cherrypicking I say being thorough and cautious.
At one time, they weren't, and if people didn't get them, it would be impossible to have long term data.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:10 pm to St Stooge
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I can’t fathom someone actually being as painfully stupid as you’re coming off in your comments here.
It's cool. This is the internet where it doesn't matter. Any of it. It's not real. You be you. I'm being me. Neither of us know who that actually is.
If waiting until there is comparable info on the covid vaccine as there is on other vaccines (which are not being discussed as compulsory for literally everyone), then call me Forrest Gump. I'll wear that badge proudly.
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