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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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Relying on FDA approval for you opposition is silly


then why do people continually bring up the "Emergency Use" thing?

I agree that its silly because people that haven't got it yet are not going to all of a sudden get it once its fully approved, so its moot point


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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Ivermectin and hcq have shown to be effective
Jury is still out, but even on their best day they have shown to be much less effective than the vaccines.

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they're cheap and
Harmless.
Maybe as a drug, but they have are likely doing plenty of harm masquerading as substitutes for the vaccine.



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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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Ivermectin and hcq have shown to be effective, they're cheap and
Harmless.

Steroids, Albuterol inhalers and antibiotics have worked as well (certainly did for me). Dexamethasone (steroid) helped the wife.




You know what medicine I took when I had covid?


Nothing.

My doctor said "congrats" and that was it. I took a ton of vitamin B and zinc, and hydrated, and felt like shite until I didn't.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
In other news UK may be peaking in cases. Took two months.

Still no alarming rise in deaths.

So maybe if people don't lose their minds just long enough we can avoid doing something dumb here.
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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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But again, you are relying on people getting covid and then treating them...

Instead of just having them get vaccinated against it.

That makes no sense


What doesn't make sense is zooming in on this virus as if it's the only illness that exists.

It's been said too many times...

The reason these treatments were banned from media and social media, and are demonized when mentioned is that if they had been considered effective treatments, the EUA's for these vaccines couldn't be issued.


It is STILL normal to not treat someone. I had this thing in may and had to go out of my way to get treatment. They just send you home and wait till you need hospitalization... Or not. That's wrong, regardless of your vaccination stance.
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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
I had to go to 3 doctors before I found one that gave me breathing treatments and antibiotics. It was certainly frustrating.



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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
If I had gotten worse I probably would have done that but I was fine. Just fatigued a lot.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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A study just came out that it is possible that 2/3rds of India's population may have covid antibodies. Which would be staggering


Damn. So they think it's possible that many people in India had it and got over it, or are the tests picking up other coronavirus antibodies as well?




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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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That literally can never happen. Those vaccines will always have been around longer


Sorry I didn't word it exactly as you needed. I understand how time works.

What I mean is when there are assurances independently proven by data that the risk of being injured by the vaccine is a,b,c % after x, y and/or z year intervals.

Is that specific enough for you? As long as there isn't data that my now 8 year old daughter has x% chance of whatever adverse affect after 1,3,5+ years you can't convince me it is safe enough to take now.

I've worked for enough corporate monsters and have seen enough of how our Mr Magoo government almost never gets anything right the first time to not trust any words they say that they can't prove. 2nd and third try they start figuring it out.

Not willing to risk my family's health on the advice or prodding of anyone who 1) Isn't a doctor and 2)Doesn't know me personally enough for me to trust they have my best interest at heart. One day after enough people choose to go first I'll consider based on the outcomes.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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What doesn't make sense is zooming in on this virus as if it's the only illness that exists.

It's been said too many times...

The reason these treatments were banned from media and social media, and are demonized when mentioned is that if they had been considered effective treatments, the EUA's for these vaccines couldn't be issued.


It is STILL normal to not treat someone. I had this thing in may and had to go out of my way to get treatment. They just send you home and wait till you need hospitalization... Or not. That's wrong, regardless of your vaccination stance.



I absolutely do not disagree with a lot of this.

But even if some treatments are proven to be even remotely effective, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting vaccinated.


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Salmon
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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
I was mostly extremely fatigued, but when my oxygen levels dropped to 86, I sought breathing treatments.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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One day after enough people choose to go first I'll consider based on the outcomes.


I mean, several hundred million have gone first.

I think you want to see what happens in 5 years is your point.

There's no reason whatsoever to suggest there will be any long term effects. There's nothing in it that would give long term effects.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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we had mRNA tech already in the hopper


So there should be tons of info available about the % of possible injuries from it.

I have been unable to locate such info


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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But even if some treatments are proven to be even remotely effective, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting vaccinated


I didn't say you shouldn't. I said I don't want to.

Does that distinction matter to you?

If someone doesn't get vaccinated, and the collective "we" withholds treatment for whatever reason, that's wrong.

If someone IS vaccinated and contract it (as Is happening now) and we withhold treatment, it's also wrong.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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Does that distinction matter to you?


Of course not, no. Because its stupid.

But no one is forcing you to get it, even if its just kind of dumb.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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There's no reason whatsoever to suggest there will be any long term effects. There's nothing in it that would give long term effects.


That we know of.

Covid % chance of death: .01%

Vaccine Risk of Death: Incomplete


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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That we know of.

Covid % chance of death: .01%

Vaccine Risk of Death: Incomplete


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Salmon
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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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So there should be tons of info available about the % of possible injuries from it.

I have been unable to locate such info


LINK

here is a study from 2012 discussing the safety, uses, and effectives of mRNA vaccines


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
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So when the FDA approves it in September, it will be a good idea, and you will go get it, right?

1. I haven't said whether or not I have gotten one of the vaccines.

2. If full approval is given in September, then that changes entirely what I said, as it hinged on mandates for a vaccine that is currently still under Emergency Use Authorization.

3. I know no "State" has mandated vaccination for Covid. That doesn't change the fact that other entities have. The precedent of any entity that is allowed to require people to take a drug or get a vaccine that has not been properly vetted under the standard we hold every other drug or vaccine is a dangerous precedent. Where do you draw the line on that? It is even worse when you consider that our government has relieved the developing drug companies of any future liability related to those vaccines doesn't help much, either.


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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
Oh so now we are opposed to private businesses being able to make the decisions they want in a free market

Interesting


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