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re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:29 pm to TheFlyingTiger
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:29 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Relying on FDA approval for you opposition is silly
then why do people continually bring up the "Emergency Use" thing?
I agree that its silly because people that haven't got it yet are not going to all of a sudden get it once its fully approved, so its moot point
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:30 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:Jury is still out, but even on their best day they have shown to be much less effective than the vaccines.
Ivermectin and hcq have shown to be effective
quote:Maybe as a drug, but they have are likely doing plenty of harm masquerading as substitutes for the vaccine.
they're cheap and
Harmless.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:31 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Ivermectin and hcq have shown to be effective, they're cheap and
Harmless.
Steroids, Albuterol inhalers and antibiotics have worked as well (certainly did for me). Dexamethasone (steroid) helped the wife.
You know what medicine I took when I had covid?
Nothing.
My doctor said "congrats" and that was it. I took a ton of vitamin B and zinc, and hydrated, and felt like shite until I didn't.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:33 pm to Fun Bunch
In other news UK may be peaking in cases. Took two months.
Still no alarming rise in deaths.
So maybe if people don't lose their minds just long enough we can avoid doing something dumb here.
Still no alarming rise in deaths.
So maybe if people don't lose their minds just long enough we can avoid doing something dumb here.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:33 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
But again, you are relying on people getting covid and then treating them...
Instead of just having them get vaccinated against it.
That makes no sense
What doesn't make sense is zooming in on this virus as if it's the only illness that exists.
It's been said too many times...
The reason these treatments were banned from media and social media, and are demonized when mentioned is that if they had been considered effective treatments, the EUA's for these vaccines couldn't be issued.
It is STILL normal to not treat someone. I had this thing in may and had to go out of my way to get treatment. They just send you home and wait till you need hospitalization... Or not. That's wrong, regardless of your vaccination stance.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:34 pm to Fun Bunch
I had to go to 3 doctors before I found one that gave me breathing treatments and antibiotics. It was certainly frustrating.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:35 pm to Salmon
If I had gotten worse I probably would have done that but I was fine. Just fatigued a lot.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
A study just came out that it is possible that 2/3rds of India's population may have covid antibodies. Which would be staggering
Damn. So they think it's possible that many people in India had it and got over it, or are the tests picking up other coronavirus antibodies as well?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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That literally can never happen. Those vaccines will always have been around longer
Sorry I didn't word it exactly as you needed. I understand how time works.
What I mean is when there are assurances independently proven by data that the risk of being injured by the vaccine is a,b,c % after x, y and/or z year intervals.
Is that specific enough for you? As long as there isn't data that my now 8 year old daughter has x% chance of whatever adverse affect after 1,3,5+ years you can't convince me it is safe enough to take now.
I've worked for enough corporate monsters and have seen enough of how our Mr Magoo government almost never gets anything right the first time to not trust any words they say that they can't prove. 2nd and third try they start figuring it out.
Not willing to risk my family's health on the advice or prodding of anyone who 1) Isn't a doctor and 2)Doesn't know me personally enough for me to trust they have my best interest at heart. One day after enough people choose to go first I'll consider based on the outcomes.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:36 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
What doesn't make sense is zooming in on this virus as if it's the only illness that exists.
It's been said too many times...
The reason these treatments were banned from media and social media, and are demonized when mentioned is that if they had been considered effective treatments, the EUA's for these vaccines couldn't be issued.
It is STILL normal to not treat someone. I had this thing in may and had to go out of my way to get treatment. They just send you home and wait till you need hospitalization... Or not. That's wrong, regardless of your vaccination stance.
I absolutely do not disagree with a lot of this.
But even if some treatments are proven to be even remotely effective, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting vaccinated.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:36 pm to Fun Bunch
I was mostly extremely fatigued, but when my oxygen levels dropped to 86, I sought breathing treatments.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:38 pm to ShoeBang
quote:
One day after enough people choose to go first I'll consider based on the outcomes.
I mean, several hundred million have gone first.
I think you want to see what happens in 5 years is your point.
There's no reason whatsoever to suggest there will be any long term effects. There's nothing in it that would give long term effects.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:38 pm to Slagathor
quote:
we had mRNA tech already in the hopper
So there should be tons of info available about the % of possible injuries from it.
I have been unable to locate such info
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
But even if some treatments are proven to be even remotely effective, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be getting vaccinated
I didn't say you shouldn't. I said I don't want to.
Does that distinction matter to you?
If someone doesn't get vaccinated, and the collective "we" withholds treatment for whatever reason, that's wrong.
If someone IS vaccinated and contract it (as Is happening now) and we withhold treatment, it's also wrong.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:42 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Does that distinction matter to you?
Of course not, no. Because its stupid.
But no one is forcing you to get it, even if its just kind of dumb.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:43 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
There's no reason whatsoever to suggest there will be any long term effects. There's nothing in it that would give long term effects.
That we know of.
Covid % chance of death: .01%
Vaccine Risk of Death: Incomplete
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:44 pm to ShoeBang
quote:
That we know of.
Covid % chance of death: .01%
Vaccine Risk of Death: Incomplete
kPosted on 7/22/21 at 2:45 pm to ShoeBang
quote:
So there should be tons of info available about the % of possible injuries from it.
I have been unable to locate such info
LINK
here is a study from 2012 discussing the safety, uses, and effectives of mRNA vaccines
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:45 pm to Fun Bunch
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So when the FDA approves it in September, it will be a good idea, and you will go get it, right?
1. I haven't said whether or not I have gotten one of the vaccines.
2. If full approval is given in September, then that changes entirely what I said, as it hinged on mandates for a vaccine that is currently still under Emergency Use Authorization.
3. I know no "State" has mandated vaccination for Covid. That doesn't change the fact that other entities have. The precedent of any entity that is allowed to require people to take a drug or get a vaccine that has not been properly vetted under the standard we hold every other drug or vaccine is a dangerous precedent. Where do you draw the line on that? It is even worse when you consider that our government has relieved the developing drug companies of any future liability related to those vaccines doesn't help much, either.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 2:46 pm to LegendInMyMind
Oh so now we are opposed to private businesses being able to make the decisions they want in a free market
Interesting
Interesting
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