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re: Nashville School Shooting
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:09 am to ChiGator
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:09 am to ChiGator
I support common sense gun regulation like taking guns away from transsexuals and anyone pushing "gender-affirmation". These people are mentally ill. Per capita, these people have are committing violent crimes at rate higher than any other group.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:11 am to Centinel
I blame Prozac and adderall and all the other medicine for fake brain diseases like “anxiety” and “adhd” and depression
You think men in the past didn’t have problems? You know how they treated it? With tallboys
The government is trying to suppress our medicine
You think men in the past didn’t have problems? You know how they treated it? With tallboys
The government is trying to suppress our medicine
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:11 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Someone called in a threat to West End Methodist daycare in Nashville where my friends have kids. Serious enough they locked it down and police showed up.
Assholes on the internet trying to be funny I'm sure. So fricked up.
Assholes on the internet trying to be funny I'm sure. So fricked up.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:11 am to ChiGator
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Some common sense approaches to start:
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:12 am to TCO
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Copycat killings are nothing new.
School shootings are in fact very new in terms of the history of gun ownership in this country, and the ease of access to them.
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The internet and TV make it 10x worse.
This would be one of the reasons we see school shootings now instead of before. Among others.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:12 am to AwesomeSauce
quote:So I asked the hard question to Chi without response, now on the other side: What legislation do you propose that will address fricked up mental healthcare that would prevent these school shootings?
addressing our fricked up mental healthcare and coddling of the mentally ill will do more
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:13 am to TideCPA
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So making people MORE competent at shooting is going to lessen the number of people killed?
Firearms training and education are absolute positives. It shouldn't be mandated or a requirement to purchase, possess, and carry a firearm, but I have no problem incentivizing this.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:14 am to WDE24
I'm sure Audrey has seen a therapist before if she was so suicidal for so long. I would say they need to be flagged to not have guns for a certain period of time, but then that discourages people with severe depression from opening up about it.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:16 am to CatfishJohn
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I'm sure Audrey has seen a therapist before if she was so suicidal for so long. I would say they need to be flagged to not have guns for a certain period of time, but then that discourages people with severe depression from opening up about it.
This is the main problem with red flag laws. You saw the same thing in the military when it came for getting mental health care because it would jeopardize a security clearance. You incentivize people to bottle it up and avoid care because they're punished if they do.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:16 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Firearms training and education are absolute positives. It shouldn't be mandated or a requirement to purchase, possess, and carry a firearm, but I have no problem incentivizing this.
Yeah I agree it's a positive. I do think you should have to have one hour long gun safety class to own a firearm. But that has nothing to do with preventing shootings, people are just morons with firearms and have no training. The shite I see at the range is unreal.
The class doesn't have to be tied to registering the firearms, just a box you have to check should you one day want a gun (or lots of guns)
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:17 am to Centinel
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This is the main problem with red flag laws. You saw the same thing in the military when it came for getting mental health care because it would jeopardize a security clearance. You incentivize people to bottle it up and avoid care because they're punished if they do.
Yeah it's a tough situation for sure.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:17 am to CatfishJohn
quote:A worthwhile idea to explore. We have to acknowledge this is a second amendment limitation though, right? How do we regulate this? How much authority to we grant mental healthcare workers with respect to limiting constitutional rights? What due process do you propose?
I'm sure Audrey has seen a therapist before if she was so suicidal for so long. I would say they need to be flagged to not have guns for a certain period of time, but then that discourages people with severe depression from opening up about it.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:18 am to AwesomeSauce
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54% of gun deaths are suicides. Of the 46% of gun deaths classified as homicide. Of that 46%, 3% were unintentional. The 43% are what we are discussing here. Of that 43%, less than 13% of guns were legally obtained. Of that 43% rifles were only used in 3% of the homicides. So on avg in the US per FBI crime data legislation will only address 5.59% of firearm homicides. The gun that everyone wants to eliminate legally obtained makes up 0.17% of firearm homicides on avg in the US. I can guarantee being harder on gun crime and criminals committing crimes with guns, and addressing our fricked up mental healthcare and coddling of the mentally ill will do more than address 0.17% of these deaths.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:18 am to Centinel
quote:Which was a point I made earlier in this thread to someone who in his own words is "anti-gun" but only wanting to ban 'assault rifles'. There is no 'bad guns' and 'good guns'. Legislation will go after ALL GUNS. They are going after 0.17% of firearms and making the uneducated up in arms over it as the 'solution' because they will teach their kids that, and so on and so forth until they can eliminate the 2nd amendment. For all the eyerollers to that statement. Tell me what these politicians prioritize?! They go after the 0.17% and want to make that harder for responsible citizens, all the while talking about making it easier and reforming and unjust practices to let the vast majority of criminals with illegal firearms back onto the streets. They also grandstand about mental illnesses being who the person is and letting them be. They do not want safety for you, or your friends and family. They want to control the narrative so you blame 0.17% while they cultivate a breeding ground for the vast majority until the public gives up control for protection. They want the authority they see in Canada and Australia. They want power to block the will of the people like the UK did with Brexit. Armed populace was the power given to the people. Unarmed populace is the power that allows authoritarian and power hungry people to thrive. There are good things in all those countries. The power the government has over the people and the will of the people is not one of those.
Now when nothing changes, you just go down the line banning the next scary thing
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:19 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
LEO Rex Engelbert has been on the MNPD for 4 years and is definitely the Alpha Male !!!
graduated from college in 2018 so he's probably 26-27 yrs old
here's the timeline for Engelbert .....
time saves lives as this dude was fearless, professional, and get's it !!!
arrives on scene and parks unit
10 seconds later - retrieves duty weapon
after 20 seconds - greets school official, gets critical info., and responds "yes Ma'am"
after 34 seconds - locked and loaded, approaches school doors/entry
after 42 seconds - "Give me 3 .. lets go"
after 56 seconds - "Need 1 more, Let's GO"
after 1:03 minutes - "follow me" ... enters school
after 2:45 minutes - downstairs rooms cleared by several LEO's
after 2:52 - heads upstairs to engage the shooter
after 3:14 - pew, pew, pew, ...... active shooter taken out
AMAZING .... basically it took Engelbert and other responding LEO's 3 minutes to head directly into a hostile environment and cut the head off the snake.
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graduated from college in 2018 so he's probably 26-27 yrs old
here's the timeline for Engelbert .....
time saves lives as this dude was fearless, professional, and get's it !!!
arrives on scene and parks unit
10 seconds later - retrieves duty weapon
after 20 seconds - greets school official, gets critical info., and responds "yes Ma'am"
after 34 seconds - locked and loaded, approaches school doors/entry
after 42 seconds - "Give me 3 .. lets go"
after 56 seconds - "Need 1 more, Let's GO"
after 1:03 minutes - "follow me" ... enters school
after 2:45 minutes - downstairs rooms cleared by several LEO's
after 2:52 - heads upstairs to engage the shooter
after 3:14 - pew, pew, pew, ...... active shooter taken out
AMAZING .... basically it took Engelbert and other responding LEO's 3 minutes to head directly into a hostile environment and cut the head off the snake.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:21 am to blueboy
Maybe it's already in this thread. Not popular but sanitariums need to come back.
I'm not advocating that we should go back to lobotomizing people or the horrid conditions of the past.
But there are way too many mentally ill people on the street. Locking them up may seem harsh, but the majority should not have to live in fear because of schizo homeless and incel/tranny types want to terrorize us.
I'm not advocating that we should go back to lobotomizing people or the horrid conditions of the past.
But there are way too many mentally ill people on the street. Locking them up may seem harsh, but the majority should not have to live in fear because of schizo homeless and incel/tranny types want to terrorize us.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:21 am to WDE24
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A worthwhile idea to explore. We have to acknowledge this is a second amendment limitation though, right? How do we regulate this? How much authority to we grant mental healthcare workers with respect to limiting constitutional rights? What due process do you propose?
Haven't gotten that far because I don't know if ever discouraging folks from opening up about their depression is a good thing.
But if we went down that route, I'd imagine it would resemble custody process when parents are deemed unfit by a social worker and a court date is set and have to go through the courts. Absolutely an erosion of 2A, so it would have to have very strict guardrails.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:22 am to CatfishJohn
quote:jfc. My son goes to preschool twice a week and today I kinda didn’t want him to go and now I just want to go pick him up and not let him go.
West End Methodist daycare in Nashville
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:23 am to CatfishJohn
My issue is that red flag laws of any kind will be weaponized politically. Guaranteed.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:23 am to ghost2most
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Maybe it's already in this thread. Not popular but sanitariums need to come back.
I'm not advocating that we should go back to lobotomizing people or the horrid conditions of the past.
But there are way too many mentally ill people on the street. Locking them up may seem harsh, but the majority should not have to live in fear because of schizo homeless and incel/tranny types want to terrorize us.
Take the money we sent to Ukraine and we'd have a world class luxury sanitarium in every state.
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