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re: Murderers in the US now stand a 50% chance of getting away with it

Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35261 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:24 pm to
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a failing of what the police should be doing and that is preventing crimes
I’m going to fundamentally disagree with this. There isn’t a lot of opportunity for the methods required to make this happen in a free and democratic society. I’m sure there are ways for the police to proactively reduce a lot of the criminal activities, but at what constitutional cost? The police are there to investigate, take reports, ask the questions, but after the fact. The community, the educational systems, the justice system can do a lot more in preventing crime than the police. It’s a fundamental misconception about what the role of the police should be in our society.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted by gatorhater08
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2011
2489 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:29 pm to
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I mean, I can't tell you my method but I could totally get away with it. The ones that get caught are just idiots.


Bookmarked for potential future trial…
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
4645 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:35 pm to

We're getting to the point where the probability of punishment is no longer a deterrent. In fact we are probably already there is some ghetto areas.

I would like to think we have a lot of moral, decent Christians in this country who would never kill someone but the truth is there are probably a lot of people out there who would like to kill their boss, ex-wife, rival, etc. but don't because they fear spending the rest of their life in a prison cell. How low do those odds need to drop before we start seeing mass carnage?
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
58864 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Bookmarked for potential future trial…

Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
3322 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:12 pm to
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I mean, I can't tell you my method but I could totally get away with it. The ones that get caught are just idiots.



Interesting. We have a killer on TD.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
4465 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Unprecedented increases in US homicides are being met with the lowest-ever clearance rate — leaving at least half of the KNOWN killings unsolved, according to alarming data and experts.


That 50% is just of things classified as homicide.

I imagine that police classify things as homicide as rarely as possible, unless it’s undeniable or someone is pressing the case.
So I’d guess the real number is much lower.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
4465 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:27 pm to
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Right off the bat the closure rate is a failing of what the police should be doing and that is preventing crimes, especially in murder cases where there is for certain a victim who paid the ultimate price for the failings of the police to prevent a crime. Expecting them to actually prevent crimes and make the nation safer is a bridge too far


It’s a bridge too far because it’s frankly preposterous to expect them to prevent crime, unless you want a draconian police state.

You’re looking at the wrong end of the long line of failings that lead to criminal behavior.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281928 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:33 pm to
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There isn’t a lot of opportunity for the methods required to make this happen in a free and democratic society.


There is, most of us don't have the stomach for it.

Mass incarceration and lifetime in prison for repeat violent offenders and all murderers.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79360 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:47 pm to
Next time a liberal tells you that the crime stats are bogus because blacks get falsely arrested.

Places like New Orleans is solving homicides at under 40%.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Murderers in the US now stand a 50% chance of getting away with it


you miss typed. 90%
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281928 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:51 pm to
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Next time a liberal tells you that the crime stats are bogus because blacks get falsely arrested.


Imagine blaming white people for black violence that's far higher than any other race.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
60818 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:52 pm to
There really is no getting away with it really.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
46912 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:01 pm to
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There is, most of us don't have the stomach for it.

Mass incarceration and lifetime in prison for repeat violent offenders and all murderers.



This doesn't do shite to a culture that thinks life in prison is worth it to kill someone in the name of disrespect.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3659 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:04 pm to
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you would think the advancements in video surveillance and forensic science would have decreased the number of unsolved murders, but no one seems to want to crack down on the violent gangs responsible for most murders in America.



Those same advancements probably make it difficult to falsely convict folks too. At best, it is a wash. Guessing the amount of folks that went permanently missing was higher back then too. But neighborhoods being terrorized by gangs, and cops ineffectiveness to help them (even before Defund) leads to people scared to come forward. They have no protection, and government not only let it happen, they wanted it to happen.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
15828 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:11 pm to
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“My perception is that police are failing to do their job.”





My perception is that it has more to do with the unwillingness of black people to "snitch". It's hard to conduct an investigation when no one will say what they know or saw.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
17436 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:13 pm to
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71% of homicides were solved in 1980.


"solved"
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11320 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:15 pm to
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I’m going to fundamentally disagree with this. There isn’t a lot of opportunity for the methods required to make this happen in a free and democratic society. I’m sure there are ways for the police to proactively reduce a lot of the criminal activities, but at what constitutional cost? The police are there to investigate, take reports, ask the questions, but after the fact. The community, the educational systems, the justice system can do a lot more in preventing crime than the police. It’s a fundamental misconception about what the role of the police should be in our society.


There would be little constitutional impact for police to simply be present as they once were when they walked a beat and knew everyone in the neighborhood. There is also very little constitutional impact with technology and cameras...they are already every where and we never had the expectation of privacy in public places. The police could continue to do the things you suggest but on a far smaller scale which would require fewer people and would allow cities, counties and states to hire more qualified individuals. Simply having citizens on the pay roll to act as mall cops, without arrest powers and certainly not armed, would prevent a heap of crime. Just the knowledge that someone may be watching is how crime is committed, it ain't threatening arrests and screaming and hollering and wrestling in the streets.

The constitutional costs associated with current policing in the United States is staggering. There are hundreds of videos a day posted to youtube of police interactions where the police violate people's rights across the country. The police do not care about anyone's rights all they are concerned with is your following their orders, legal or otherwise, and if you do not they will immediately escalate the encounter and violate your rights. The tax payers pay numerous small amounts of money to people annually and regularly for their having done so.

The role of the police should be to prevent crime first and foremost. They do that by being present and using technology that is in place and being used anyway. Their performance should be based on the reduction in crime and not on arrests and certainly not on arrests where a conviction is not possible because of their incompetence or, even worse, when no crime was committed to begin with. Police who do actual police work should be trained properly, they should pass numerous background investigations as well as ongoing investigations and there actions should be subject to a robust random audit system conducted by professionals and citizens alike and when they are found wanting that should be corrected immediately. The power of the state being abused so folks can enjoy a sense of retribution yet be so scared they feel compelled to carry a firearm to Dairy Queen is as close to an adhesion to common practices from the dark ages as we get in modern society. And it ain't working....some folks literally HATE the police, the police get no cooperation from concerned citizens in some areas and the number of people in jail, who supposedly committed a crime, is higher in the US than in any nation on the planet. It simply is not working and is only going to get worse.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:17 pm to
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they're mainly killing each other. Black community don't seem to care much, so I am not going to lose sleep over it.


They blame someone else yet when the police question them "They didn't see nuthin.".
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
4596 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:18 pm to
Taint seent shite
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5499 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:20 pm to
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you would think the advancements in video surveillance and forensic science would have decreased the number of unsolved murders,


This makes the 50% rate even more troubling.
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