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re: Murder/rape from 28 yrs ago in Starkville solved
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:09 pm to Spankum
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:09 pm to Spankum
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The articles say that they matched DNA from his cigarette butt to the DNA profile from the rape investigation.
I didn't see anything about matching Ancestry or 23 and me databases....did I miss something?...
Apparently they were turned on to him by Parabon NanoLabs, a company that allows LEO to upload DNA profiles against a database they maintain. Parabon provided the leads that ultimately led to the cigarette butt for for an exact match.
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Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:13 pm to Clutch Cargo
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Criminal activity will keep getting harder to get away with.
Indeed.
This is why in order to get away with murder, the suspect will have to do everything he can to make sure he does not leave any kind of DNA or prints at the scene and that means shaving every hair off his body, and hell practically showering his entire body in bleach before the crime.
And then cover up his body with as much clothes as he can like a goddamn hazmat suit to prevent things like sweat, saliva or skin cells from being left behind at the crime scene.
And even then, the suspect would have to plan for other contingencies like disposable transportation, kill method and weapon, cameras at the scene and the right time and place to do it and make sure those are not compromised by DNA and prints too.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:17 pm to Sentrius
Yeah and then You have cameras everywhere and cases like the one posted by someone else tonight where the hitman was busted by his watch.
Also read where the guy who abducted that little girl in Wisconsin shaved off all his body hair in order to keep from leaving any DNA at the scene before killing her parents.
Also read where the guy who abducted that little girl in Wisconsin shaved off all his body hair in order to keep from leaving any DNA at the scene before killing her parents.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:20 pm to Clutch Cargo
I was living in Starkville when this happened. Glad they finally caught the bastard.
That said, I would think it would be hard not to leave DNA at a rape scene.
That said, I would think it would be hard not to leave DNA at a rape scene.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:21 pm to Spankum
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I didn't see anything about matching Ancestry or 23 and me databases....did I miss something?...
The investigators will use these sites to figure out it's you based on family dna. Then they follow you around and wait for you to leave dna in a public spot. They test it, confirm it's you for sure, then grab you.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:21 pm to Clutch Cargo
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Also read where the guy who abducted that little girl in Wisconsin shaved off all his body hair in order to keep from leaving any DNA at the scene before killing her parents.
It's extreme likely he would've gotten away with it. It was one of the most well planned and premeditated murders that Wisky law enforcement has ever seen.
The only reason why he was caught and is guaranteed for life in prison was that he was stupid enough to try and keep a victim alive and hold her hostage and he wasn't very good at that and for some strange reason he's crazy enough that he confessed to everything.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:22 pm to Cosmo
This is a lie. It’s like 20 bucks the kit but you have to create an account and pay afterwards. No way you sold your kit on eBay. Why do people feel the need to lie so much today.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:25 pm to FearlessFreep
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That said, I would think it would be hard not to leave DNA at a rape scene.
Salvia, hairs, sweat, semen.
Pretty much impossible to prevent all of that.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:26 pm to Clutch Cargo
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You have cameras everywhere
You would be surprised who has cameras.
These 2 yokels robbed an armored car, while driver was pumping gas. They changed vehicles 1 time and drove to a property in boonies(already in rural area) to change again. Were in the clear, but alas, a farmer had put a camera on his barn facing the road, because of kids hitting his mail box every weekend. Police canvassed area, farmer said hold on, checks tape, he has 1st get away car and last get away car on tape.
This was 11 years ago. Cameras be every where.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:26 pm to GRTiger
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Why would you do one of those things if you murdered someone?
They likely didn’t. If it’s a familial match, you’ll still get a hit. Which is enough to investigate.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:29 pm to kingfish225
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This is a lie. It’s like 20 bucks the kit but you have to create an account and pay afterwards. No way you sold your kit on eBay. Why do people feel the need to lie so much today.
BS you can buy 23andme kits that include the lab fee.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:29 pm to Tigerbait357
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My my... rarely do we witness a guy who can pull off aviators
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:38 pm to Clutch Cargo
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Devaughn’s arrest is in relation to an incident that led to the death of Betty Jones and the sexual assault of Kathryn Crigler on Labor Day in 1990 in the 300 block of Lee Street, now Dr. Martin Luther King Drive.
Nothing good ever happens on streets named after MLK.
What stops these law enforcement agencies from doing other things with the dna of people who have done these kits? Are there safe guards built into that? Are we going to eat up like that gattica movie?
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:44 pm to georgia
That's what we should be worrying about. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
What if they find out that someone with xyz gene is 75% more likely to commit a violent crime. Should they be preventively detained? Put under surveillance? Forced to undergo genetic engineering to remove the trait?
What if they find out that someone with xyz gene is 75% more likely to commit a violent crime. Should they be preventively detained? Put under surveillance? Forced to undergo genetic engineering to remove the trait?
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:47 pm to georgia
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What stops these law enforcement agencies from doing other things with the dna of people who have done these kits?
They can't actually see their DNA. They plug in the unknown suspects DNA. The computer finds the closest matches of people who have agreed to for their DNA to be compared for matches.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:58 pm to Sentrius
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This is why in order to get away with murder, the suspect will have to do everything he can to make sure he does not leave any kind of DNA or prints at the scene and that means shaving every hair off his body, and hell practically showering his entire body in bleach before the crime.
And then cover up his body with as much clothes as he can like a goddamn hazmat suit to prevent things like sweat, saliva or skin cells from being left behind at the crime scene.
And even then, the suspect would have to plan for other contingencies like disposable transportation, kill method and weapon, cameras at the scene and the right time and place to do it and make sure those are not compromised by DNA and prints too
Seems like you’ve thought about this a lot.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:03 am to Obtuse1
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It doesn't have to be you, a relative' DNA can be what leads the police to your door.
Aint this some fricking shite!
Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:04 am to Ham Solo
There seems to be some confusion of how this works. Let me see if I can explain it a bit better and explain why it's not an invasion of anyone's privacy.
Normal people submit their DNA to certain websites that have DNA databases. The reason they do this is to allow them to get a better picture of their family tree.
They don't actually have access to anyone's DNA. The database spits out matches without you having access. Everyone who submits agrees for the database to do this.
When the police have a suspects dna, they can do this also. When they get the results they don't actually have the other family members DNA. They just have names of matches and how closely they are related. If it's a 3rd cousin they will know that.
Now they know to start digging into the family of this 3rd cousin. They simply use process of elimination at that point to find who they think it is. Usually based on geography.
Once they think they know who it is they follow them and grab a straw or cigarettes the suspect leaves behind. They then match it to the original suspects DNA that started this whole process.
Normal people submit their DNA to certain websites that have DNA databases. The reason they do this is to allow them to get a better picture of their family tree.
They don't actually have access to anyone's DNA. The database spits out matches without you having access. Everyone who submits agrees for the database to do this.
When the police have a suspects dna, they can do this also. When they get the results they don't actually have the other family members DNA. They just have names of matches and how closely they are related. If it's a 3rd cousin they will know that.
Now they know to start digging into the family of this 3rd cousin. They simply use process of elimination at that point to find who they think it is. Usually based on geography.
Once they think they know who it is they follow them and grab a straw or cigarettes the suspect leaves behind. They then match it to the original suspects DNA that started this whole process.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:06 am to Clutch Cargo
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This is going to start happening more and more as more people willingly give their DNA to these types of businesses that are then sharing it with law enforcement.
Yep. And more and more people are going to say incriminating things that Alexa and other voice activisted devices will turn over to authorities. Big Brother baby.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:18 am to Ham Solo
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Now they know to start digging into the family of this 3rd cousin. They simply use process of elimination at that point to find who they think it is. Usually based on geography.
So your saying the DNA pointed to a family in the Rienzi, MS area population 381. Then the possible suspects are down to a young male suspect who moved 90ish miles from Rienzi to Starkville and may or may not have been a student at MSU?
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