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re: Multiple studies showing vaccines CAN cause autism
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:52 am to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:52 am to OysterPoBoy
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lol, nobody's even gotten polio in 65 years.
You are slowly morphing into temu el gaucho
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:53 am to Cosmo
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temu el gaucho
good analogy
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:53 am to soccerfüt
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Thanks Doctor Kildare.
Every doctor I personally know* recommends children’s immunizations, but you’re the “pointing out” expert here.
Risk:Reward much? Herd immunity, ya heard?
*including the ones I’m related to who love me
It's so interesting how skeptical most Americans are of the entire medical community when it comes to the subject of covid vaccines, but yet are willing to swallow everything else the same lying community tells us.
My doc strongly suggested the covid vaccine too. I have no respect for her now either.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:54 am to tenderfoot tigah
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I only posted this because people still have their head in the sand. I am not anti vaccine, just bringing awareness to the fact that taking medicine does bring risks.
I posted this in the last Vax thread too, but how does this increased risk of autism from a vaccine compare to chronic complications caused by the actual diseases you're being vaccinated against??
IE permanent disfiguration from smallpox or being crippled by polio. Or even just failing to reach your potential because you're sick all the time and can't focus??
Sure you're better off than vaccinated kids in a world where everyone else is vaccinated & herd immunity exists. And some people like to be very smug about it. But that is a very specific world that can go away really quickly.
It's always seemed like a choice between some bad and a LOT of bad imo
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:00 am to Salmon
a few more notes about the studies listed in the OP:
- every study I read was about Thimerosal, a preservative that began being phased out of vaccines in 1999
- it was no longer necessary because we now have single dose vaccines that don't require preservatives
- Thimerosol is still found in plenty of other products that no one seems to care about
- Thimerosol has been used as a preservative since the 1930s
- none of the studies concerning Thimerosal take into account any other mercury exposure
- every study I read was about Thimerosal, a preservative that began being phased out of vaccines in 1999
- it was no longer necessary because we now have single dose vaccines that don't require preservatives
- Thimerosol is still found in plenty of other products that no one seems to care about
- Thimerosol has been used as a preservative since the 1930s
- none of the studies concerning Thimerosal take into account any other mercury exposure
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:04 am to tenderfoot tigah
So the first study notes:
So 38 adverse “ASD” cases were reported to VAERS (self-reporting) out of 16,335,650 doses.
And then beyond that there was a whole lot of talk of causation when really it should be loose correlation.
And that’s just one study.
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Overall, it was determined that there were a total of 38 ASD adverse events reported to VAERS following Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine doses manufactured by Pfizer\Wyeth-Lederle Laboratories and a total of 17 ASD adverse events reported to VAERS following Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine doses manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline. These numbers were used as the numerators in phase I.
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The applicable BSS reported a total of 14,794,210 net number of doses of the Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine were distributed from 1998 through 2000 and a total of 16,335,650 net number of doses of the Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine were distributed from 1998 through 2000. These numbers were used as the denominators in phase I.
So 38 adverse “ASD” cases were reported to VAERS (self-reporting) out of 16,335,650 doses.
And then beyond that there was a whole lot of talk of causation when really it should be loose correlation.
And that’s just one study.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:06 am to SW2SCLA
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:08 am to holdmuh keystonelite
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Whistle-blower claims cdc covered up data showing vaccine and autism link.
They wouldn't do that would they?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:11 am to OysterPoBoy
Protecting the herd will always cause harm to some individuals.
"Saving society" by force just doesnt seem wise. They'll constantly need saving
"Saving society" by force just doesnt seem wise. They'll constantly need saving
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:15 am to tenderfoot tigah
NVM. He linked sources.
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:15 am to Cosmo
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You know what else has risks? Measles. And rubella. And polio.
/Thread.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:15 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:Good points for sure. But do you wonder big-picture why thimerosal was ever phased out at all in 2001? Just out of the goodness of their hearts? I mean, if it works so great and doesn’t give babies autism, why stop using it suddenly? Just because some misinformed moms wrote a mean letter? Please.
BluegrassBelle
And who’s to say they weren’t tweaking the concentrations or raw material source suppliers along the way which made more recent vaccines more toxic than in years prior? And was every injury getting reported to VAERS? We saw lots of VAERS underreporting during COVID.
As we saw with the COVID vax, Big Pharma has no qualms with doctoring trial results. My personal faith in the medical institution hasn’t come back yet. And my grandfather was a medical doctor and I always got vaccines.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:17 am to soccerfüt
I sure 20 shots of poison in 2/3 months is really good for the body -
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:22 am to tenderfoot tigah
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Conclusions of the first study in the post.
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Routine childhood vaccination is an important public health tool to reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infectious diseases, but the present study provides new epidemiological evidence supporting an association between increasing organic-Hg exposure from Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and the subsequent risk of an ASD diagnosis.
Useless study because Thimerosal has not been used in vaccines (except for a tiny tiny amount in influenza vaccines) in the USA since 1998.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:22 am to holdmuh keystonelite
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Whistle-blower claims cdc covered up data showing vaccine and autism link.
you didn't read your own article
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:27 am to tenderfoot tigah
The world is a complicated place. No one can be an expert in everything. Spending a few hours reading on the internet doesn't mean you know as much as our top research experts who have dedicated their lives to this.
There likely isn't a person in this forum that can speak intelligently about the studies listed in the original post. Science can be questioned and improved...by other scientists and experts. Not by community college dropouts who write blogs from their bedrooms.
Actual experts
There likely isn't a person in this forum that can speak intelligently about the studies listed in the original post. Science can be questioned and improved...by other scientists and experts. Not by community college dropouts who write blogs from their bedrooms.
Actual experts
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Is there any scientific evidence of a connection between vaccines and autism?
No. Vaccines in routine use in the United States do not cause autism. There have been 13 methodologically sound, controlled epidemiological studies reporting no association between autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and receipt of MMR vaccine, thimerosal in vaccine, and simultaneous vaccination with multiple vaccines, in addition to the relevant systematic reviews and one meta-analysis.
The evidence from all studies, including methodologically flawed studies, have been reviewed by the Institute of Medicine, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. All have concluded that vaccines do not cause autism or ASD.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:48 am to soccerfüt
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Risk:Reward much? Herd immunity, ya heard?
Is the risk/reward as important as it was now with modern technology and advances in general cleanliness?
Is something like Chicken pox worth any adverse reactions caused by a vaccine?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:52 am to tenderfoot tigah
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I am not anti vaccine, just bringing awareness to the fact that taking medicine does bring risks.
We had a conversation with our pediatrician about vaccines, and he used this analogy- it's not perfect, but it makes sense.
2 pools of 5,000 kids. In the first pool, 3,000 will get sick, suffer or die and in the other pool, less than 1,000 will get sick, suffer or die. Which pool do you want your kids in? I think for our 2nd child, we spread the shots out a little more, which meant more visits, but that was OK with us. We got all recommended shots with both kids that had long proven track records, including Chicken Pox and Guardisil/HPV, but not Covid.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:53 am to tenderfoot tigah
Everybody knows you got 6 boosters
Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:04 am to TDFreak
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Good points for sure. But do you wonder big-picture why thimerosal was ever phased out at all in 2001? Just out of the goodness of their hearts? I mean, if it works so great and doesn’t give babies autism, why stop using it suddenly? Just because some misinformed moms wrote a mean letter? Please.
Folks can have a thimerosal allergy, I’m one of them. I didn’t find out until allergy testing as a young adult. It’s mercury based so it makes sense knowing the all around damage that mercury exposure can cause. IMO it’s not much different than phasing our lead in consumable products.
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