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Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:44 pm to Korkstand
Are you old enough to have watched the show?????
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:50 pm to Pettifogger
quote:He wasn't expressing a personal view on the continuity of gender throughout life. He was reassuring young children that they didn't have to change, according to Mr. Rogers himself.
You think changing the lyrics to clarify that adults are dads/moms means he'd likewise adjust to change his view on the continuity of male/femaleness throughout life?
I'm a bit doubtful
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:51 pm to dukke v
quote:Yes, I watched it every morning in kindergarten.
Are you old enough to have watched the show?????
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:55 pm to Korkstand
I haven't said otherwise.
And I'm not following the Carson bit - it both reaffirms the continuity point - you're a boy right from the start, and the quip at the end shows just how foreign this debate would be to both of them.
Anyway, my point was that his moderation of "boys are dads" etc. seems unlikely to be indicative that Rogers was likely ever going to "moderate" his song to something akin to "well boys may start as boys but they can become girls if they want to"
And I'm not following the Carson bit - it both reaffirms the continuity point - you're a boy right from the start, and the quip at the end shows just how foreign this debate would be to both of them.
Anyway, my point was that his moderation of "boys are dads" etc. seems unlikely to be indicative that Rogers was likely ever going to "moderate" his song to something akin to "well boys may start as boys but they can become girls if they want to"
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:06 pm to Pettifogger
quote:The Carson bit is not hard to follow. He said "because sometimes children think that they might change, they might have to change after a while", and that is the concern or fear in some children that he was addressing.
I haven't said otherwise.
And I'm not following the Carson bit - it both reaffirms the continuity point - you're a boy right from the start, and the quip at the end shows just how foreign this debate would be to both of them.
Anyway, my point was that his moderation of "boys are dads" etc. seems unlikely to be indicative that Rogers was likely ever going to "moderate" his song to something akin to "well boys may start as boys but they can become girls if they want to"
So no he wouldn't "moderate" that song today like your example that allows for trans people. Rather, he would likely restate his original intent - that there is no need to fear changing to the opposite sex - in a completely different way.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:23 pm to Nolalakeview
Most would call him a pedophile these days even though the ones that would call him of that bang underage boys and girls on remote islands and think that's perfectly ok to do.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 4:00 pm to Korkstand
quote:
So no he wouldn't "moderate" that song today like your example that allows for trans people. Rather, he would likely restate his original intent - that there is no need to fear changing to the opposite sex - in a completely different way.
I genuinely don't know what you're trying to convey here. I've never stated the belief he'd moderate the song. Nor have I claimed he'd take a hard stance on trans issues. I'm sure if posed to him at the time, he'd be so bewildered by the concept of transgenderism (especially for children) he wouldn't know where to start or how to respond.
I contested the idea that his revision of the song to address a completely different thing is indicative that he'd revise it further to avoid hurting the feelings of the pro-trans crowd in the modern era, which is a claim I believe was insinuated in the thread.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 5:17 pm to Nolalakeview
Mister Rogers is the GOAT when it comes to being himself on and off screen, genuinely one of the best people in American history. He positively influenced countless young people, and while his personality could be seen as hokey or fake he legitimately lived the values he was teaching. The guy was always on point.
"I'm very concerned that our society is much more interested in information than wonder, in noise, rather than silence."
- Fred Rogers
"There is nothing that evil hates more than forgiveness."
- Fred Rogers
The man was a gem and one of a kind. It legitimately saddens me that he had protestors at his funeral because he simply spoke the truth just like in this OP, when he should be celebrated as one of the greatest positive influencers of all time.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 5:24 pm to Korkstand
quote:
so to twist this silly song into something transphobic is shameful.
I don't think you understand the point of the OP at all and it went over your head entirely.
We know what Fred Rogers meant by that statement, and it is one of the purest and loving shows of support for a child that can be given.
You are simply mistaken in thinking such a beautiful message could not be taken in the entirely wrong way in today's society. It would be in an instant if he made that statement today, because those pushing narratives want to use anything they can to have their agenda heard.'
Mr. Rogers cared about kids and supporting them in every way possible. The fact remains that his words would be guaranteed to be twisted today by those looking to be offended. That is how everything works now. Context is meaningless to such people. Looking deeper into the meaning of statements is meaningless to them as well.
That's how far society has fallen and I have seen it first hand, particularly with today's generations (teenagers and college-aged kids of the last decade). They will take the worst possible interpretation of what is said and that is why we are where we are today as a society.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 5:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Mr. Rogers was and still is a national and global treasure. He would not be "canceled" today, whatever you think that means.
This song was meant to help children be comfortable with themselves and to accept one another, NOT to shun those who are different. The man devoted his entire life to kindness, acceptance, and inclusivity, so to twist this silly song into something transphobic is shameful.
Mr. Rogers deserves better than this. Be better.
He would absolutely be canceled and you know exactly what that means. Not only would he be canceled, before being canceled he would be bludgeoned and bullied into apologizing, only to discover that an apology isn't enough. It never is.
He would be scrutinized and pilloried on every daytime talk show from the likes of The View, all the way to Oprah Winfrey.
Entire segments on CNN and MSNBC would be devoted to him and that little ditty for a panel of assholes to expose as hateful and transphobic, even though there's nothing hateful or transphobic about it.
I never refer to folks on the OT as idiots, because we're all idiots. But you? You're a frickin' idiot.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 5:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
^^^ couple category B's
Posted on 11/15/23 at 5:50 pm to Pandy Fackler
Your post shows how shitty society has become since the 70’s and 80’s.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:04 pm to Korkstand
quote:
There seem to be two basic categories of dumbasses in this thread.
Dumbass A thinks Mr. Rogers was making an anti-trans statement with the song and would be canceled by the left today for being anti-trans.
Dumbass B thinks Mr. Rogers wasn't making an anti-trans statement but would still sing the song the same way today and would be canceled by the left for poor word choices.
Which category of dumbass are you?
You you think Fred Rogers would yield to a destructive social contagion such as child transgenderism or change the lyrics of the song for the sake of socio-cultural fashion?
You think Fred Rogers would want to "fit in" like that? Maybe he would. Maybe you're right.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:10 pm to Nolalakeview
A fellow Yinzer. The pride of Squirrel Hill.
RIP.
RIP.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:11 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Be better.
i love the holier than thou Leftist takes. always my favorite. 
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:15 pm to Nolalakeview
He would be banned for not being gay enough
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:20 pm to dukke v
quote:
Your post shows how shitty society has become since the 70’s and 80’s.
It's gotten really shitty.
Let's just ponder this question for a moment.
Would Fred Rogers be allowed to sing this little song during Children's story time, in a North Eastern or West Coast Public Library?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:22 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Mr. Rogers was and still is a national and global treasure. He would not be "canceled" today, whatever you think that means.
As with many things, there would be those on both poles of the political spectrum who would hate him. Some would say he's too traditional while others would claim he's pushing the vaccine and CRT
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