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re: More tyranny: Ochsner will make unvaccinated spouses of employees pay $200 per month
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:15 am to Jebadeb
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:15 am to Jebadeb
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Oschner is within its rights.
This is a non statement.
Of course they are ‘within their rights’ they always dot the “i”s and Cross their “T”s in legalese.
ETA I know a nurse at Oschner and months before the vaccine was even ready they had already told hospital employees they all were taking it or loosing their jobs.
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:16 am to Weekend Warrior79
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So are the uninsured, majority of the obese, smokers, drug users, alcoholics.... Are we going to get to a point where we can tailor health insurance costs based on all risk factors, of just those that fit an agenda?
And, while we are at it, can we also charge different prices for those that never go, only go for their annual physical, or consistently seek treatment?
Doesn't the OT argue for this exact thing?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:18 am to grizzlylongcut
I read this as "More Tranny" at first
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:21 am to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:21 am to Jebadeb
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Not tyranny. Oschner is not a government entity. Its rules apply to its employees not its citizens.
While I don't agree with these rules, Oschner is within its rights.
Is Oschner not paid anything by the government? Is it pressured by the various state boards or American Doctors Association, APA, ANA and all the other alphabet soups?
Is Oschner some bastion of Corporate Individualism? A shining beacon upon a hill of freedom? Operating without any outside influence from DC, JBE, lobbyists and PHDs?
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:21 am to Harry Caray
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Because the vaccine is free and takes 2 minutes to get.
That doesn't address hispoint at all, but you knew that.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:23 am to OweO
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I read this as "More Tranny" at first
Spent too much time in that thread last night about the poster that "accidently" swiped the wrong way numerous times
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:24 am to Ingeniero
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Doesn't the OT argue for this exact thing?
Some do, many more just argue for consistency.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:27 am to Lester Earl
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I don’t think you know what tyranny means
Educate me, then.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:29 am to Ingeniero
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Doesn't the OT argue for this exact thing?
yeah but they're doing it for one specific thing, obviously with downward pressure to circumvent mandates. They are mandating it in a way that washes their hands of it.
If this was truly about health outcomes and what was best for their bottom line they'd be giving incentives based on alcohol usage, smoking, BMI, cholesterol levels, physical grades, etc.
But they aren't. Because this is a government workaround. I have argued many times on this topic that I think being vaccinated is a good idea. But I don't support mandating it this way.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Whatever happened to the Republican fondness of free market capitalism.?
So you're okay with discrimination?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:31 am to frequent flyer
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Oschner is probably going to lose some employees from this kind of behavior.
Maybe. Seems like there are only a couple health systems you can work for in the area. And if LCMC and Tulane do the same then you really don’t have any options
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:32 am to TaderSalad
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So you're okay with discrimination?
Do not fall into this trap. American Healthcare is not a free market. You cannot argue with someone that even begins with this premise.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:33 am to danilo
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Maybe. Seems like there are only a couple health systems you can work for in the area. And if LCMC and Tulane do the same then you really don’t have any options
Lots of folks at the hospital are administrative. They can work in a lot of different sectors.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:34 am to lsu13lsu
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Do not fall into this trap. American Healthcare is not a free market. You cannot argue with someone that even begins with this premise.
It's clear that the poster is a moron... just trying to get him to go full retard and admit that he's okay with discrimination
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:38 am to Odysseus32
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If this was truly about health outcomes and what was best for their bottom line they'd be giving incentives based on alcohol usage, smoking, BMI, cholesterol levels, physical grades, etc.
Almost every decent-sized hospital system does give discounts under the wellness program for non-smoking, BMI, good labs etc. Because the ACA limited penalties it increased the wellness discount cap from IIRC 30% to 50% of an individual's premium.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:39 am to Odysseus32
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If this was truly about health outcomes and what was best for their bottom line they'd be giving incentives based on alcohol usage, smoking, BMI, cholesterol levels, physical grades, etc.
But they aren't. Because this is a government workaround. I have argued many times on this topic that I think being vaccinated is a good idea. But I don't support mandating it this way.
I can agree with this. I'd like some more consistency and I'd like more discounts on my health insurance for being in shape
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:51 am to grizzlylongcut
If only there were a cheap and effective drug regiment that could dramatically reduce the strain on the system.
Or perhaps address the doctors who have been trained by hospital administrators to use patient treatment like an amazon wish list. There are entire industries built around finding and correcting hospital billing errors and overtreatment/overcharging of patients.
Or perhaps address the doctors who have been trained by hospital administrators to use patient treatment like an amazon wish list. There are entire industries built around finding and correcting hospital billing errors and overtreatment/overcharging of patients.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:51 am to grizzlylongcut
Guess you should get the vaccine and quit your bitching
Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:12 am to Weekend Warrior79
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So are the uninsured, majority of the obese, smokers, drug users, alcoholics.... Are we going to get to a point where we can tailor health insurance costs based on all risk factors, of just those that fit an agenda?
Well we used to have that until Obama said we could not.
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