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re: Minneapolis police kneels on man neck until he dies- Cops fired

Posted on 5/28/20 at 6:56 am to
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7291 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 6:56 am to
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toxicology report on Floyd would be interesting, if anything in his system exacerbated his respiratory distress - nevertheless what kind of person he was, whether upstanding contributor to society or thug welfare bum - the police had a responsibility to subdue him, and then make a proper arrest - they failed


Not saying you are implying otherwise but I don't care what shows up on the toxicology report. Won't change my mind at all regardless of what drugs he was on or how much of it he took.

The cop killed that man and he is going to prison for it imo.
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
91793 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:00 am to
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Cops fired
now prosecute the bastards.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
25062 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:03 am to
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they are not there to protect and serve, you are considered guilty of something until all avenues to find something illegal are exhausted.


Uh yeah, that’s their job chief one court describes it by saying: “it’s his duty as an officer, if he understands that others are engaged in crime, to use every effort legitimate and permissible by law to detect and ferret out crimes...”
Posted by FAP SAM
Member since Sep 2014
3261 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:05 am to
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The onlookers and recorders of the video seemed to be more interested in getting the scoop (adding fuel to a hatred fire) then acting on the officers, why didn’t they intervene if they were concerned

What exactly do you expect them to do? Go fight 4 or more cops that have already shown they're willing to use excessive force?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48174 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:32 am to
I watched the video and my take is the following:

It was obvious from the dialogue that there was a struggle preceding where the video started. Even his friend told him he cant win, just get in the car.

The onlookers were definitely adding fuel to the fire. Telling a cop what to do is a surefire way to have him not do what you are saying. Also, a dumb white woman shrieking is definitely not gonna help anything.

The cops fricked up. Once the man was subdued, they should have put him in the car and left. Regardless, everyone knows what can happen, yet people want to push a cops buttons until you get him to do something stupid. In this instance, it cost the man his life.

Stupid and reckless behavior from everyone involved. What we have learned is that this is a recipe for people losing their lives and others going to jail. No different in this scenario. At a minimum if you decide to resist arrest, you are gonna get roughed up and go to jail. Over a shite charge that this guy was going to get is it worth it?
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23566 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:35 am to
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The onlookers were definitely adding fuel to the fire. Telling a cop what to do is a surefire way to have him not do what you are saying. Also, a dumb white woman shrieking is definitely not gonna help anything.

The cops fricked up. Once the man was subdued, they should have put him in the car and left. Regardless, everyone knows what can happen, yet people want to push a cops buttons until you get him to do something stupid. In this instance, it cost the man his life.

Stupid and reckless behavior from everyone involved.



"Don't tell a cop to stop murdering someone, or he'll murder someone"
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
62212 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:36 am to
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All you dumbasses missed completely obvious sarcasm.

Says the insecure contrarian.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48174 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:37 am to
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"Don't tell a cop to stop murdering someone, or he'll murder someone"


in your next interaction with the police, please try to tell them how to do their job and see how that works out for you mr funny guy.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:43 am to
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The cops fricked up. Once the man was subdued, they should have put him in the car and left. Regardless, everyone knows what can happen, yet people want to push a cops buttons until you get him to do something stupid. In this instance, it cost the man his life.


Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:51 am to
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in your next interaction with the police, please try to tell them how to do their job and see how that works out for you mr funny guy.


I've never been through police academy. Is it a fundamental rule to, for whatever reason, arrogantly defy any direction or request a citizen gives a police officer?

Maybe if George Floyd would have asked the cop to kill him instead of asking for the ability to breathe, he'd still be alive.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8328 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:04 am to
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The cops fricked up. Once the man was subdued, they should have put him in the car and left. Regardless, everyone knows what can happen, yet people want to push a cops buttons until you get him to do something stupid. In this instance, it cost the man his life.


Your logic is confounding.

So if no bystanders would have existed Floyd would be alive today?
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
45511 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:05 am to
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I've never been through police academy. Is it a fundamental rule to, for whatever reason, arrogantly defy any direction or request a citizen gives a police officer?



I’ve been through all 8 and I would have to say most cops are just regular fun loving people. There are always the hardcore guys and the jokesters though.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:21 am to
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Stupid and reckless behavior from everyone involved.

Which of the people involved were paid and trained to not act stupid and reckless?
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:22 am to
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in your next interaction with the police, please try to tell them how to do their job and see how that works out for you mr funny guy.

So you’re admitting that cops operate on a hair trigger and will clamp down on a citizen for even innocently questioning the performance of their job. You are really helping your case.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40037 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:22 am to
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Telling a cop what to do is a surefire way to have him not do what you are saying.


So the cop is a stubborn retard. Very cool.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
173694 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:25 am to
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Regardless, everyone knows what can happen, yet people want to push a cops buttons until you get him to do something stupid. In this instance, it cost the man his life.


Or he could’ve just..

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put him in the car and left


But instead he police officer’d
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
16465 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:29 am to
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So it doesn’t matter if they had the guy ‘restrained’ and he fought through it and still posed a threat?


I'm in law enforcement and have been in the situation you speak of many many times; first of all, it doesn't matter if the perp "fought through it" for hours, there were 4 officers there and together they could've easily handled him all the way into the back of the patrol unit. I'm 6'0" and 170 lbs. soaking wet, and I could've handled this guy by myself let alone with 3 other officers backing me up - ESPECIALLY after he was cuffed, which takes place before the bystander video even begins.

Second, it is NEVER EVER protocol to restrain a resisting perp by resting a knee on their neck; this alone undoes any "what ifs" involved. We are trained to put a knee between the shoulder blades or small of the back to restrain an unruly perp (which this guy was already restrained anyway). We're specifically taught to stay away from the neck area for this reason, and to apply as little pressure as necessary in order to avoid any unnecessary injuries to the perp such as breaking ribs.

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From the video I saw, I don’t think that the cops used excessive force to keep this guy restrained that still posed a threat. Again, I don’t know if that was the case until more evidence comes out


As a federal officer I understand the struggles and split-second decisions an officer has to make every day, so I'm usually a huge proponent of 'lets wait for all the evidence' in these situations. That is not the case here, I've seen more than enough to know these officers fricked up BAD.

I could've told you the primary officer fricked up with just a simple screenshot of him on the perp's neck, and we have video showing that he kneeled there for MINUTES after the perp was subdued and even unconscious. Just about everything this officer did was incorrect and overboard.

His superiors realized this as well, as he and the other officers on-scene were immediately fired. This was absolutely the right call to make on their part, regardless of public outrage.

This officer was clearly, without a doubt, 110% guilty of excessive force, negligence, and improper technique; and he clearly wasn't cut out to be a police officer.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14535 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:47 am to
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fundamentally agree that laws generally exist to protect the public


Disagree

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fair to say that cops would be on your side


Even if I did agree, the police or there to protect the government's best interest. Very little they do benefits the citizen over the state.

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Maybe you think you are above the law?


Nope, I think laws are designed to benefit the state, and enforced in a way that the state benefits. In order for police to be on the citizens' side police would need to be proactive instead of reactive.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14535 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:53 am to
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in your next interaction with the police, please try to tell them how to do their job and see how that works out for you mr funny guy.



When my tax dollars (and speeding tickets) stop paying their salary they can stop listening to what I have to say. As soon as people realize that everyone from the local dog catcher to POTUS works for the tax paying citizens, and those citizens hold those bureaucrats and elected officials responsible, nothing will change.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48174 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:17 am to
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So you’re admitting that cops operate on a hair trigger and will clamp down on a citizen for even innocently questioning the performance of their job. You are really helping your case.


what case? I assigned ultimate blame to the cop... I also said that the guy put himself into a position to be killed by them by resisting. The bystanders didnt help any either.
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