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Mini-split HVAC question?

Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:37 am
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:37 am
We are having a master bed/bath and laundry/mud room added on to our home starting in the next couple of weeks. The contract has the HVAC as being a mini-split system.

Can anybody give me any info on what this means and how it relates/compares with central heating and air?
Posted by MSWebfoot
Hernando
Member since Oct 2011
3263 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:41 am to
Think hotel unit hanging on the wall. There is a condensing unit outside and an evep coil and fan inside. It is stand alone from your existing system.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20407 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:42 am to
It is the small outside unit with a blower inside that looks like a hotel unit. I am doing the same and have researched this extensively. It is definitely the way to go for your application.

Now you will be able to cool your bedroom without having to cool the rest of the house. If you are like me, I want it COLD in my bedroom at night but don't need to cool the rest of the house like that. This allows that. Most of the mini splits I looked at will handle up to 1000 sf so you shouldn't have a problem with master bed/bath and laundry.

If you extend your existing central AC into the new space, you may have to get a bigger unit plus they will have to run new ducts. The mini split is the way to go.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50852 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:43 am to
quote:

mini-split system

mini = small
split = separate CU & AHU

as noted above, there will be a unit on your wall and a unit outside. 1 ton or 1.5 ton is typical size
Posted by Donkeypunch
Georgia
Member since Jun 2007
1428 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:44 am to
Like Webfoot said. The Evaporator is stand alone on the wall. I’m sure it wouldn’t matter in the mud room but to me a mini split in the bathroom would be unsightly.
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
35823 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:13 pm to
So for approx 450 sq ft. how many of those wall hanging unites would there be? I could live with one, maybe two but I don't want them all over the place.

Are they generally cheaper or more expensive than it would be to tie in to the central unit?
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted by dfintlyHmmrd
Jigga City
Member since Dec 2016
1408 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:14 pm to
You will only have one wall unit.
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13901 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:15 pm to
We love ours. Runs great and keep the room a pretty consistent temp
Posted by Tiger inTampa
Tampa, FL
Member since Sep 2009
2171 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:17 pm to
Go with it. Technical name for them is ductless split. Not all are the wall hung. They have cassette ceiling mounts and ducted in the ceiling as well. See the Mitsubishi link below. It will give you a far better picture of what you're getting into.
LINK
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6043 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:20 pm to
Mini-split systems rule the air conditioning world. While not popular in the USA, they are and have been the standard in most areas around the world. The reason is most homes around the world do not have attic space as we do here thus the need for the mini-split systems. This is how Daiken became the largest a/c manufacturer in the world.

Because they're ductless, they're very energy efficient. Most people in the USA do not want them because of the esthetics. You must be willing to have this hanging on an interior wall.

Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6043 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Are they generally cheaper or more expensive than it would be to tie in to the central unit?


You can't just tie into your existing system unless it was way oversized from the beginning. For 450 sq ft you'd need an additional ton of a/c. This would mean replacing your current system....completely.

This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
31193 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:32 pm to
Several people have mentioned hotel units as a comparison, those are PTAC units and MUCH larger and MUCH louder than the inside portion of a mini-split. The scale of the picture posted also makes the evaporator section look larger than it actually is.

As they gain traction in the US there will be less stigma associated with them. They are extremely effective and very efficient.
Posted by DriverWedge3putt
Fairways
Member since Jul 2017
198 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:39 pm to
I have a 1.5 ton Carrier mini split in a recent renovation. The existing system couldn't push air that far without losing effectiveness. The walls were painted white and the unit is hard to notice if you haven't seen it before. The unit sits about 11.5 feet off the ground (12.5 ft ceiling) in the middle of a 30 feet long wall. Overall, love the fact I can control temp in that space in a matter of minutes. If not using the space no need to run air.

I can recommend the people who did mine. They were in and out in 2 days for an 8-ton system.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3263 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:41 pm to
FYI, they make ducted air handlers for mini-splits. I have 2 air handlers that run to 5 rooms with short duct runs.
Posted by parrotdr
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Member since Oct 2003
7951 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:41 pm to
GREAT. I have four in my office. Great at heating/cooling smaller spaces and they are QUIET!
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Can anybody give me any info on what this means and how it relates/compares with central heating and air?

Think hotel AC or a window unit has a baby with a central unit.

Inside, instead of a unit in your attic with ducting like you would see with a central unit, you're going to have something similar to a hotel AC. Basically, you'll have a slim cabinet mounted on the wall or ceiling (sometimes you'll see them in an attic with small ducts to registers) that holds the cooling coil and a fan to draw air in from the room and blow it across the coil and back out into the room. Air will circulate only in that room, just like a hotel AC or a window unit, but WAY quieter.

Outside, instead of something loud and ugly hanging off of your wall like you would see with a window unit or a motel AC, you're just going to have a small refrigerant line going out to connect the wall mounted evaporating unit to a condensing unit. The outside portion is just like a central AC system, but with a MUCH smaller and quieter suitcase sized condensing unit that can be mounted fairly remotely from the inside unit to allow you to keep the looks of your home intact.

One of the major benefits of these systems is that they're stupidly efficient because you've eliminated the ducting. A sizable amount of the energy used to cool the air in a central system is lost through the ducting to the walls or the attic. This puts all of the cooling right in the space you want cooled. Plus, you get the benefit of a multi-zoned system. No more fighting over the thermostat like you'd get in a single-zone central system. Every room can have its own temperature set point. Even better, when you have rooms that aren't being used, you can dial that temperature up just so you keep the room dry and avoid moisture problems, but don't waste money comfort cooling spaces that are seldom used. When you need to cool a room, it takes minutes to bring the temperature down from the moisture prevention temperature.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
7266 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:30 pm to
I'm currently shopping for them online. We're building a stand-alone office in our backyard. My neighborhood AC guy will make the connection, and he has recommended going slightly larger than conventional due to their variable speeds. He also advised me that purchasing a Mitsubishi would be paying a premium for brand name.

That said, I like the look of the LG units. Anyone have brand recommendations? (12k BTU is all I need)

Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:54 pm to
What is your rough quote to have the mini split added? I got a quote for a similar sized space and it was $4200 ish. Seemed very high to me. But that is in the ballpack or cheaper than adding a stand alone system.

As said, the main benefit to them is you can control the temp in whatever room the system is in.
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6043 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

What is your rough quote to have the mini split added? I got a quote for a similar sized space and it was $4200 ish. Seemed very high to me. But that is in the ballpack or cheaper than adding a stand alone system.


Seriously? Did he have a gun pointed at you, too?
Posted by Ashtray
La
Member since Apr 2017
183 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:18 pm to
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