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Military men - what happens to destroyed/abandoned tanks etc. on battlefield

Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:51 am
Saw a documentary of the last Israel/Egyptian war where the Egyptian army was left destroyed on the battlefield in the Sinai Desert. What happens to equipment like this? Does the winner come and gather up and recycle what they can, or is it just left there to rust?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39215 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:52 am to
The aussies say hold my beer, run out into no mans land, and pull that sum bitch out of the mud and bring it back home to Australia.

Ain’t she purdy
This post was edited on 12/26/18 at 9:54 am
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
21044 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:52 am to
There are still leftover's from the first Desert Storm sitting in the desert in Iraq.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59342 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:54 am to
It's probably more expensive to try to salvage parts of a destroyed tank than just leave it
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41808 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:55 am to
When I went on a trip to Israel in '85 there were still wrecked Arab tanks in the occupied West Bank area and Sinai. I figured the Iraelis left them there as a reminder to the Arabs of what happened to their fathers
Posted by Longstreet
Member since Jul 2018
299 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:57 am to
When I was in the Second Cavalry Regiment, we had one of the Iraqi tanks from Desert Storm parked out front of the Squadron HQ.

To the victor...
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6982 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:58 am to
Go look up the battlefields from WW1 that are still uninhabitable in France. I think there was a thread on here at some point with some good pictures and detailed the job of going in and cleaning up old battlefields.

It’s also crazy to see old bombs being pulled out of the streets that never went off that were dropped in Europe during WWII. Imagine being on site and seeing one of those unearthed
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:59 am to
If it’s one of theirs, it’s usually just left. If it’s one of ours, we call a wrecker...

Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:27 am to
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If it’s one of theirs, it’s usually just left. If it’s one of ours, we call a wrecker...
Theirs were irradiated with DU rounds, ours were not. Best to leave those radioactive piles of junk where they lay (and hope many sand dwellers get irradiated and become sterile looting the wrecks).
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:32 am to
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Theirs were irradiated with DU rounds, ours were not


I know. I irradiated my share of them. Course before I sent those DU rounds down range, they’d been loaded in the ammo compartment about 4’ from my seat in the gunner’s station. But we were assured they were perfectly safe. And would the Army lie to us?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56120 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:39 am to
The ideal notion is that the Logistics branch of your military is able to collect/receive your salvageable tank wrecks and make use of them.

During WW2 the German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS were quite proficient in this practice, and, it kept their armored formations much more up to strength then they otherwise would have been.

Examples:

Rommel's Afrika Korps - expert and very proficient in collecting up battle damaged German tanks and getting them back in the fight ASAP. It was a real loss when Rommel's wreck collectors could NOT do this because the British held the battlefield after the fight.

Waffen SS armored formations on the Eastern Front in 1943 - Battle of Kursk - examination in the US National Archives of the actual unit records of losses and restored to the battlefield show that tank losses were remarkably small due to battlefield repair of "destroyed" tanks.

-1943 Battles near the Mius River -- same remarkable example of repairing and restoring "destroyed" tanks to the battlefield.

Of course, the battlefield ability to do this breaks down when the pace of your retreat accelerates and the enemy air interdiction operations interrupt your capabilities to do this. I'm talking about the July, 1944 to May, 1945 phase of the war on West and East Fronts.

This post was edited on 12/26/18 at 10:40 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:40 am to
The VTR
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56120 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:41 am to
quote:

I know. I irradiated my share of them. Course before I sent those DU rounds down range, they’d been loaded in the ammo compartment about 4’ from my seat in the gunner’s station. But we were assured they were perfectly safe. And would the Army lie to us?


You are perfectly fine and completely normal, so, what more do you want?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132603 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:42 am to
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Best to leave those radioactive piles of junk where they lay (


Its depleted uranium

Honestly probably safer holding that to your head than a cell phone
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:43 am to
Back in the day they did this too.

Posted by BackWoodsTiger
Member since Sep 2008
6149 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:54 am to
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But we were assured they were perfectly safe
They lied. I loaded my share into the breech and I'm here to report all my babies were born naked!
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21806 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:58 am to
M88
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:00 am to
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They lied. I loaded my share into the breech and I'm here to report all my babies were born naked!


What was your average load time?
Posted by DevilDagNS
Member since Dec 2017
3017 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:11 am to
I bet we left a ton of shite in Iraq. There was a huge boneyard in Al Asad last time I was there. Tanks, tracks, HMMVEEs, trucks, etc. Anything useful had been stripped off, but the skeletons were there. I doubt they took all that crap out when we left, and prob left our good stuff too for the hajiis to joyride in. I hit an IED, my vehicle was towed to Al Asad, and three years later I was back there and it was still sitting in the same spot. Prob still sitting there. What a stupid fricking place.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19945 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:17 am to
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And would the Army lie to us?


You could just look up the basic info yourself. DU emits primarily alpha-particle radiation which is completely blocked by anything as thick and dense as dead skin cells. Beta particles are blocked by clothing. The hazard comes from breathing in dust contaminated with DU (or lead, tungsten, etc.) but also those Soviet-bloc vehicles themselves were often loaded with radium and asbestos and were hazardous to be around no matter what destroyed them.
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