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re: Might want to get sticky going for the Venezuela war (strikes imminent)

Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:57 am to
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:57 am to
oil
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
48149 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:00 pm to
Venezuelan oil sucks

Very sulphur heavy and cannot be refined in US refineries.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16166 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:05 pm to
Im pretty sure some are built specifically for this and are under utilized because of:


quote:

According to a Congressional Research Service report, many Gulf Coast refineries are “optimally configured to process heavy crude oils” including Venezuelan heavy crude.

Citgo owns three U.S. refineries (in Louisiana, Texas, and Illinois) that have high coking capacity and have historically processed heavy crude from Venezuela.

A trade-association document noted that more than 20 different U.S. refineries had processed Venezuelan crude (in 2016.)

Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16166 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:11 pm to
My belief is they want to take Venezuelan oil (likely under market costs) and process in the USA where we already have ability and use it regain surplus to send to Europe and India for our own geopolitical interests.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40303 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:14 pm to
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Venezuela is a fricking humanitarian crisis. They’re not holding real elections, they don’t let their people have the choice of new leaders. Over a quarter of the country has fled, and most of them have inundated their Latin American neighbors, not the US. Hunger is prevalent. It’s been a sharp descent for them and it is a truly hopeless situation.


Literally couldn’t care less.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3070 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:15 pm to
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What is our strategic objective again? Hope this doesn’t happen. An unforced error by Trump


The strategic objective in South America is to prevent the Chinese from establishing a strong foothold in resource rich continent. It’s the main reason language and larger military presence in SOCOM.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:18 pm to

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Cuba and Venezuela, two countries who export nothing to the US except their people


Well yeah... when you sanction the ever living frick out of countries w/the express purpose of crippling their economy it's kind of hard for them to send you any exports.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40303 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:19 pm to
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Venezuelan oil sucks Very sulphur heavy and cannot be refined in US refineries.


Wrong
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41458 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:19 pm to
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Venezuelan oil sucks Very sulphur heavy and cannot be refined in US refineries.


The majority of US refiners are quite literally designed to process super heavy, sour crudes.
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted by bikerack
NH
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:25 pm to
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If you read before you get outraged life can make much more sense.


You're asking a lot.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39934 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:53 pm to
All because Jose Altuve won the MVP in 2017
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296988 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:58 pm to
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All because Jose Altuve won the MVP in 2017


Should account for something. Make Venezuela A Baseball Factory Again.''

MVABFA. Not a catchy as MAGA, but..
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84543 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:58 pm to
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The strategic objective in South America is to prevent the Chinese from establishing a strong foothold in resource rich continent


Same rationale for Russia and Ukraine?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149489 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:00 pm to
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I’m anti war, but in these cases, I’m all about toppling a dictator and letting the people reclaim their country
Posted by The Third Leg
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:09 pm to
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Well yeah... when you sanction the ever living frick out of countries w/the express purpose of crippling their economy it's kind of hard for them to send you any exports.

They don’t export shite to anyone except Venezuela pushing their oil to China. And that hasn’t been all that great for them considering the distance it has to travel.

These countries seized many assets owned by US companies and were subsequently locked out of the western economy. Their leaders have had their boots on the throats of the people the whole time, pretending their system is remotely possible in a global market, stealing assets then running them in isolation. The only time things were stable in Cuba post revolution was when the soviets were paying like 4x market price for the sugar to prop it up as a frick you to the US.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3070 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:12 pm to
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Same rationale for Russia and Ukraine?


I think Ukraine was/is more about protecting “the West” money laundering operation. Amongst other things.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149489 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:16 pm to
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I think Ukraine was/is more about protecting “the West” money laundering operation
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88862 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:17 pm to
What is the reason for needing to go to war with Venezuela? Serious question


And do both sides of it in here agree on that reason? Obvious one side won’t believe it’s enough to go to war while the other will, but what IS the reason?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66767 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 1:21 pm to
Rubio and his ilk are horny to get Maduro out for some reason. You could say it's because he is a communist thug and deals drugs. But, we are usually fine with repressive thugs and scumbags as long as they are our thugs and scumbags. I think it's about oil (or petrodollars), or as others have speculated, setting the tone that we will get involved on that continent if China or Russia do.

Again, the fentanyl is mostly made in China and Mexico, so I think it's disingenuous to say Venezuela is killing Americans. And, most of those narco boats can't reach the U.S. They drop off the drugs elsewhere.
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