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re: Megachurch as a business
Posted on 4/26/19 at 2:55 pm to DevilDagNS
Posted on 4/26/19 at 2:55 pm to DevilDagNS
Its obnoxious that members enjoy their church and what it does for the community? Hilarious and sad
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 2:56 pm to ShoeBang
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Not many Catholics running around recruiting people to come to their church for free are there? Their clergy have lots of issues with the public perception of them, but incessant pressure to join and requirements for donations aren't on that hit list. One of the few things the original Christians still get right today IMO.
Catholics in BR and NOLA are doing so well because they have the best schools. You take that away from them and it would be going downhill. The schools are like sorority or fraternity for adults. It is all what school are you getting in. Very political and a popularity contest. No one seems to really care about the religion just that their future Traction college baseball recruit gets in the best school. I am not sure that is what the original christians wanted but here we are.
If you have a kid in Catholic School you are most definitely doing raffle tickets and Men's Club and Taste of BR and Fairs and all kinds of pressures to give money.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:02 pm to Halftrack
Every church is a business.
Small medium large mega.
It’s all about the money
Small medium large mega.
It’s all about the money
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:03 pm to ShoeBang
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generally teaches people to not be a-holes at its core, no matter the flavor of the almighty chosen.
And therefore depriving of any real spiritual instruction.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Because to many young people, traditional church is boring AF.
I am very, very interested in this.
Full disclosure. Not a mega-church guy. Some of the health & wealth, name it, claim it types that have been mentioned in this thread have very little to do with conservative, orthodox Christianity, IMO.
I wandered a good many years after my conversion in the early 70's. I'm almost 66 now and was in my early 20's then. After a good bit of searching we ended up in a 135 year old conservative, orthodox Anglican denomination. It's biblical preaching and teaching with liturgical, sacramental worship following the services as outlined in our older, theologically conservative Prayer Book.
I have been involved in mega church services and in medium sized services and in small home church groups and nothing has been as satisfying, enlightening, or as motivating as Sunday is for us now.
So, that's me. An admittedly old fart. And I worry that young people are missing out on rich truths and experiences found in Sunday worship and that their expectations may either be misinformed or perhaps irrationally inflated.
What especially are young people looking for in a place to worship God? Is it content and quality of preaching and teaching? Style of worship? What ingredients would combine to make worship not boring?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
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My understanding (from my friend) was that the church paid the pastor a decent, but not very large, salary. Say $50K a year.
However, the church owned a 4100 sq ft "Parsonage" uptown that they lived in, rent free. The church owned two escalades, which the pastor and his wife (who was an "employee" got to drive at no cost. And every year, the church made a "donation" to our private school that was, coincidentally I'm sure, equal to the cost of tuition.
That's just a benefits package for a pastor. I see nothing wrong with it as long as these places will admit that they are a business with well paying customers.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:07 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Like I said, it seems to always be Christian megachurches too.
Maybe other religions aren’t as dumb? I have yet to see one megatemple rabbi on TV asking for a new jet.
Maybe other religions aren’t as dumb? I have yet to see one megatemple rabbi on TV asking for a new jet.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:40 pm to Nicky Parrish
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Every church is a business.
Small medium large mega.
It’s all about the money
So which prosperity gospel baw fricked your old lady?
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:48 pm to Ted2010
The lord works in mysterious ways
Posted on 4/26/19 at 3:52 pm to chunk
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My opinion is that a church should have 0 to do with the government in any sort of money capacity.
Agreed, but in allowing a donation for their believers, I think we've already crossed that bridge.
And if the government is subsidizing something, even indirectly, I think it's a lot more complicated.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:00 pm to Halftrack
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I have yet to see one megatemple rabbi on TV asking for a new jet.
It's Time for the Jewish Megatemple
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:04 pm to Halftrack
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I have yet to see one megatemple rabbi on TV asking for a new jet.
There was a mega temple once
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:04 pm to VaBamaMan
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Pastors make so little
I thought this was common knowledge but apparently it is everywhere except for TD posters. Most preachers and I know many, don’t make much, don’t live in nice houses, and drive raggity arse vehicles. But even the posters here know that, it’s just a way to bash a group of people.
I know this thread is about megachurches and I get that, but many are pumping in smaller churches and pastors in with it.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:06 pm to windshieldman
Now we do have our problems, but reading this thread highlights several reasons I am so glad I am Catholic.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:07 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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And I worry that young people are missing out on rich truths and experiences found in Sunday worship and that their expectations may either be misinformed or perhaps irrationally inflated. What especially are young people looking for in a place to worship God? Is it content and quality of preaching and teaching? Style of worship? What ingredients would combine to make worship not boring?
Make them feel as if they are part of the church on an operational & spiritual level every time they come through the door. As if they have some skin in the game, even though we know they don't. The moment you start sounding like you are telling them what to do with their lives, their genitals, their kids, their money, you have lost them. Make them believe you are with them on the journey and not leading them on the journey and they will enthusiastically give you control of all the personal things I just stated previously. Now, whether the methods to get to that point agree with Jesus' intentions for the Christian faith or not, is up to you.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:08 pm to windshieldman
Is that Gabriel Swaggart’s McMansion going up on the Swaggart compound in Baton Rouge next to Jimmy’s ‘two bedroom bungalow’ or am I seeing things?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:13 pm to VaBamaMan
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He owed taxes almost every year. And he didn't make a total package of over $45k/yr until 2008. There were years he made more before then, but he was bi-vocational.
Pastors make so little, that having protection in the form housing allowance is the one of the few ways they can stay afloat financially. Something like 90% of pastors are bi-vocational.
There's certainly a lot more small-town pasters who do it for the love, than those who are running megachurches and making tons of money.
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Also, for everyone in the "tax churches" group. The income you believe the feds would be getting would dry up. 95% of churches have 75 members or less, and can barely keep the lights on. Almost all of that 95% would have to close their doors if taxed. And mega churches would take a HUGE hit as well. The feds would see less than 5% of the projected income most studies say taxing churches would generate.
I don't think they should be subject to income tax themselves. I believe in many instances there is a ton of fraud and misuse when it comes to property tax exemptions, sales tax exemptions, and what spending on behalf of the clergy is truly related to the church.
When Pastor Jesse has a multi-million dollar "rectory" that doesn't pay a dime in property taxes, that's a problem.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:13 pm to 756
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Ministers are treated like self employed and pay ALL of their own self employment taxes, social security, medicare etc
You might want to look into a concept called the "gross-up"
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:16 pm to lsu13lsu
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Catholics in BR and NOLA are doing so well because they have the best schools. You take that away from them and it would be going downhill. The schools are like sorority or fraternity for adults. It is all what school are you getting in. Very political and a popularity contest. No one seems to really care about the religion just that their future Traction college baseball recruit gets in the best school. I am not sure that is what the original christians wanted but here we are.
A lot of the Catholic schools are struggling. Look at how many have started taking vouchers. Sure, you have some in the richer areas that are doing great.
That vow of poverty that many Catholic religious take, is a big reason they don't need to constantly ask for 10 percent.
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