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re: Megachurch as a business
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:17 pm to Champagne
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:17 pm to Champagne
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I certainly do welcome any counter-arguments or corrections to what I perceive the applicable theology to be.
Well then, here we go.
First of all, what I got out of your post is that Mr. Rizzo is good because he has asked for forgiveness, but the 18 year old, her parents and Mrs. Rizzo are the bad ones because they haven't asked for forgiveness.
Mr. Rizzo is the head of the church right? That alone means he is held to higher standards. Okay he asked for forgiveness. Great. That still doesn't change the fact he is a hypocrite. If he did it once, what is stopping him from doing it again? Or does that even matter? He can continue doing it and all he has to do is ask for forgiveness and everything will be okay?
And if heaven does exist, how do you know Rizzo is going? Because he is saved? I don't understand the whole "saved" thing. So people are suppose to find Jesus and be saved and if they don't they will go to hell?
What about religions that don't believe in having to be saved? Is God going to send them to hell because they were born into a family who practices a religion who doesn't believe they have to be saved?
I asked this to someone who tried to help me "find Jesus" and I was told that at some point everyone will be presented with the opportunity to find Jesus and it is up to them to decide whether they will follow him or not.
So are all Jewish people going to hell? They don't believe Jesus has even come to Earth yet. Muslims acknowledge Jesus just as a prophet. Both religions don't believe in "being saved" so because they have been taught one thing all of their life, they will automatically go to hell?
What if someone comes up to you and says "All of that stuff you say about getting saved is bullshite. What you really have to do is go live in a 3rd world country. Live like the poorest of the poor for one year and you will be judged based on how you live while having to live truly to survive" would you listen? It would be hard to convince you otherwise right? Becomes that's what its like when you try to convince people what you believe when they believe something else.
But yes, let's prays Mr. Rizzo for asking forgiveness and throw stones at an 18 year old (who is of legal age, but doesn't mean she is mature) who still has a lot of growing up to do, her parents who are probably like many other parents, which is trying to protect their child. And his wife, well even if she is not without sin, it seems like he ruined a lot for her so I could understand why it would be hard for her to want to forgive so quickly.
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
Why don’t megachurches have mega schools? I don’t think schools make money, so they leave it alone.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:21 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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What especially are young people looking for in a place to worship God? Is it content and quality of preaching and teaching? Style of worship? What ingredients would combine to make worship not boring?
It's the same problem / thing that touches other non-profits, the working world, some mardi gras krewes, etc.
Young people want a connection. Maybe it's more of a virtual connection, but a connection nonetheless. They want a home. They want to feel part of that home. They want a message that speaks to them. They want a homily that they can understand.
Our Catholic parish has a new pastor (been here a couple of years now) but he's maybe 35 years old. Super, super traditional guy, but his sermons are easy to listen to and relative to life today. He tells people "thank you for coming" and is very accessible.
People think the millennials want 100K dollar rock star music sets for a stage at church. They really just want someone to tell them thanks and see you next week.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:24 pm to Halftrack
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Why don’t megachurches have mega schools? I don’t think schools make money, so they leave it alone.
Cause then they would have to charge tuition, and that's competition for the middle class dollar. You actually have to provide some tangible benefits with tuition, with tithing, you just need to make people feel good.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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They really just want someone to tell them thanks and see you next week.
Didn’t some televangelists have ladyfriends who did this and that’s where the problem started?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:31 pm to theunknownknight
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Yep. And usually churches foot the bill on that 15% Housing allowance can be pretty broad so basically, if done correctly, ministers can live expense free while paying taxes on a small “salary”
Once again you need to read the IRS regs
You cannot claim more than fair rental value, Churches are not allowed to pay the 15% as a minister is self employed for tax purposes. Any church that does this can lose their non profit status.
Housing allowance
Clergy Self employment tax
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:36 pm to genuineLSUtiger
If a pastor receives free tuition for his child in school then the school must report this on a 1099 and the pastor has to pay tax - Treated as a scholarship
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:45 pm to 756
That’s if they charge tuition. But if the tuition is waived, there is no charge, thus no income to report on a 1099. That’s how I think most televangelists and pastors see it.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:49 pm to Halftrack
actually the school is responsible for the 1099 whether they charge or not- it is a violation if they do not report it
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:50 pm to Halftrack
Prosperity Gospel. I know this guy....was always scheming to get rich quick. Eventually took up with another women (he met her at work) and abandoned his wife and kids. After marrying the woman (he soon divorced her).....he resumed his pursuit of riches. Finally figured out a way to get rich? Become a evangelical minister in your own church. Good looking guy but problem is.....he couldn't preach worth a darned.
Prosperity Gospel.....preaching from the Good Book and racking in the $$.
Listen to them shekels hitting that copper funnel.
Prosperity Gospel.....preaching from the Good Book and racking in the $$.
Listen to them shekels hitting that copper funnel.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 4:59 pm to 756
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actually the school is responsible for the 1099 whether they charge or not- it is a violation if they do not report it
1099s are issued by schools for amounts paid to others, not amounts paid to it.
1099s are not issued by K-12 schools for scholarships or financial aid.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
Being a megachurch ‘pastor’ seems better and better.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:09 pm to Halftrack
Anyone who goes to a megachurch, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you’re probably being conned. If your preacher will not only fly in first class, but also has his own private jet, then you’re being conned.
Mega churches are snake oil factories that ruin lives. Watch John Oliver’s segment on it sometime where he just obliterates them: LINK
Mega churches are snake oil factories that ruin lives. Watch John Oliver’s segment on it sometime where he just obliterates them: LINK
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:10 pm to Halftrack
Here is St. Louis' version.
The dude's sporting a sevenhead!
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:11 pm to The Spleen
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As a middle aged suburban resident, I cannot understate the immense pressure there is on our family to attend one of the local mega churches - Church Of the Highlands. Between our 2 teenage kids, I'd guess around 70% of their friends attend this particular church. They grumble all the time that we don't attend that church with their friends, and their friends' parents are constantly inviting us to attend that church with them. I've lost cost at how many campuses they have around town, but one of them is close to my neighborhood and the attendees use my street as a cut-through every Sunday morning. Getting anywhere on a Sunday morning is a PITA.
I just can’t fathom going to a church where I don’t know the pastor on a personal level. I will never attend giant gymnasiums trying to sell you as much shite as possible.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:15 pm to Mizz-SEC
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
this is complicate
Tuition discounts applied to ALL employees except highly compensate may be tax free
but- our conversation is about highly compensated mega church pastors or tv pastors. Per IRS
Reduction Must Not Discriminate In Favor of Highly Compensated, Etc. – Paragraph (1) shall apply with respect to any qualified tuition reduction provided with respect to any highly compensated employee only if such reduction is available on substantially the same terms to each member of a group of employees which is defined under a reasonable classification set up by the employer which does not discriminate in favor of highly compensated employees (within the meaning of section 414(q)).
Tuition discounts applied to ALL employees except highly compensate may be tax free
but- our conversation is about highly compensated mega church pastors or tv pastors. Per IRS
Reduction Must Not Discriminate In Favor of Highly Compensated, Etc. – Paragraph (1) shall apply with respect to any qualified tuition reduction provided with respect to any highly compensated employee only if such reduction is available on substantially the same terms to each member of a group of employees which is defined under a reasonable classification set up by the employer which does not discriminate in favor of highly compensated employees (within the meaning of section 414(q)).
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:16 pm to 1999
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Traditional church attendance is declining. Places like church of the highlands are exploding in attendance. Maybe it’s the traditional churches that need to retool.
How about you frick off, wake up, and smell the shite sandwich that is in front of you. Sorry, but if your church is like an infomercial and you don’t know 80% of your congregation, they’re selling you snake oil and not a religion, since that preaches community. Mega churches preach commerce and seed faith. That is not what religion is supposed to be.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:18 pm to Pettifogger
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For his 30th anniversary with the church the executive board got him...a brand new Ford Ranger. It was the first new vehicle he'd ever owned.
My parents own a nice Audi that is 2 years used. They have money and have never bought a new car. That doesn’t mean shite.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 5:26 pm to 1999
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i've attended one of these mega churches off and on over the years. never joined or tithed. but i enjoy the pastor's sermons. he admitted during service that the number one complaint they get about church is that it's "too boring". criticize them all you want, but these types of churches have adapted better to what people want today. the churches that depend on elderly members and have changed nothing won't be around.
Well people are stupid. Let me just put it this way: if your church is charging for drinks/coffee, you do not go to a church. You belong to a scam and they are sucking you dry. I’m not talking coke machines, but if you’re charged $2.00 for coffee when you walk in, you’ve been hoodwinked.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 5:30 pm
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