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re: Medical Examiner: George Floyd was on fentanyl, died of heart attack.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:08 pm to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:08 pm to GEAUXmedic
You mean he wasnt a model citizen making rational decisions and complying with law enforcement?
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:08 pm to brass2mouth
“Two renowned pathologists”
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:09 pm to BayouCatFan
So you agree the cop caused his death.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:13 pm to fatboydave
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You mean he wasnt a model citizen making rational decisions and complying with law enforcement?
Odd that you don’t apply this level of scrutiny to the LEOs. They are first responders, if he was overdosing, they are supposed to resuscitate him, fentanyl is an easy fix if that’s what you’re going with caused him to die. I’ve never heard of someone ODing on fentanyl cry out they cant breath, because they’re always essentially comatose at that point.
Why couldn’t a model and rationally behaving LEO complying with his duty help this man?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:15 pm to thermal9221
I’m going to agree that the cop, the drug abuse, the pre-existing heart condition, the hypertension, and the resisting arrest all contributed to his death. Some to a greater degree than others but nobody knows if any one of them alone would have led to his death. The combination certainly did though. The color of his skin or that of the officer had zero to do with it.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:17 pm to GEAUXmedic
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It also says his manner of death is homicide.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:21 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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It also says his manner of death is homicide.
Coupled with the fact that the autopsy doesn’t say there was a heart attack. Just a bunch of tards don’t understand what cardiopulmonary arrest is. CP arrest is no breathing no heartbeat.
Heart attack is a myocardial infarction, which is not listed on the autopsy.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:22 pm to latech15
So did the cop abuse or not abuse his power which led to the victims death?
Because on the video I see a Cop kneeling on a guy till he dies. The medical examiner ruled it a homicide. So he’s saying the cop killed him. Was he fricked up? Sure. But the cop killed him.
Because on the video I see a Cop kneeling on a guy till he dies. The medical examiner ruled it a homicide. So he’s saying the cop killed him. Was he fricked up? Sure. But the cop killed him.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:24 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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And he needs to be convicted because if you think the riots are bad now, just wait for it if he gets off
Sacrificial lamb?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:26 pm to GEAUXmedic
This actually ties into the timeline that medical assistance was called before he was ever even cuffed.
What this doesn't help explain is if he was having a heart attack before he was cuffed, why the frick did the cop still feel the need to kneel on his neck for 10 minutes?
What this doesn't help explain is if he was having a heart attack before he was cuffed, why the frick did the cop still feel the need to kneel on his neck for 10 minutes?
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:31 pm to AMS
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Cardiopulmonary arrest isn’t = to a myocardial infarction (heart attack). In fact there would be evidence of an infraction on autopsy if there was a heart attack, so he did not have a heart attack at all. Cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and having a heartbeat, as is the case in 100% of deaths
I was just about to post the same point. A heart attack is a myocardial infarction, which can lead to sudden cardiac arrest. But this autopsy states generic cardiopulmonary arrest, aka heart stopped and he stopped breathing.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:31 pm to GRTiger
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This actually ties into the timeline that medical assistance was called before he was ever even cuffed.
What this doesn't help explain is if he was having a heart attack before he was cuffed, why the frick did the cop still feel the need to kneel on his neck for 10 minutes?
Cops are first responders, calling someone else doesn’t cut it. He should’ve tried resuscitation. Plus Floyd didn’t have a heart attack, the autopsy did not indicate myocardial infarction. Cardiopulmonary arrest is every death, except maybe getting vaporized. Laymen just don’t understand CP arrest isn’t the same thing as a heart attack (myocardial infarction), which again Was not on the autopsy
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:38 pm to AMS
I'm not saying I understand the medical side or that I agree with whatever OP is saying, just that in many reconstructed timeliness of the event, it is reported that an ambulance was called very early in the encounter. I thought that was odd.
To be clear, I believe the cop's actions absolutely brought about his death in the manner it occurred. The other variables don't really matter to me. 9 minutes with a full weight knee to your neck will bring most anyone close or all the way to death.
To be clear, I believe the cop's actions absolutely brought about his death in the manner it occurred. The other variables don't really matter to me. 9 minutes with a full weight knee to your neck will bring most anyone close or all the way to death.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:45 pm to sgallo3
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So the cops contributed to him dying? I think we all knew that already
Do ODs happen more often or police brutality deaths?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:46 pm to thermal9221
Might have just been an assist.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:47 pm to GRTiger
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I'm not saying I understand the medical side or that I agree with whatever OP is saying, just that in many reconstructed timeliness of the event, it is reported that an ambulance was called very early in the encounter. I thought that was odd.
To be clear, I believe the cop's actions absolutely brought about his death in the manner it occurred. The other variables don't really matter to me. 9 minutes with a full weight knee to your neck will bring most anyone close or all the way to death.
Fasho. I was more addressing the medical facts that CP arrest isn’t a heart attack, that’s a myocardial infarction. An MI may cause CP arrest, but there was no MI on autopsy, just a bunch of folks claiming there was a MI because they think that’s what CP arrest is.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:49 pm to tigga1951
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What makes you accept a independent autopsy hired by the family?
The man who performed said autopsy.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:49 pm to AMS
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In fact there would be evidence of an infraction on autopsy if there was a heart attack, so he did not have a heart attack at all.
Wrong. Acute infarctions require the person to survive for several hours before they can be identified at autopsy.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:57 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Wrong. Acute infarctions require the person to survive for several hours before they can be identified at autopsy.
Actually you are correct, but my main point was more that the autopsy did not say there was an MI. while you nit picked me getting a little zealous, you supported my overall point. There was no MI on autopsy.
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