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re: McKnight shooter released from custody...Cliffnotes of Normand press conf inside
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:39 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:39 pm to Chad504boy
Idk seems like Gasser didn't do anything to remedy the situation, and Joe was acting irrational, and he realized he was about to get his arse beat so he shot. If they were going for as far as some of y'all made it out to be, his windows were down, and Joe was on the passenger side (presumably unarmed but that presumption is subject to change), I don't think he had a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm. He should have called the cops or kept his window up and ignored him, I just have a hard time believing with what has been released so far that this is justifiable.
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:39 pm to tigerpimpbot
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They did a great job getting out in front of the Blm/NAACP false narrative that was being pushed on social media.
Normand did a good job getting the facts out, but that press conference was a disaster. He spend the first 10 minutes calling out the social media pressure and stated he wouldn't release any details, then he laid out all of the details they had about the casings in the car and the coroner explained the bullet entry/exits.
He had some good moments and some cringe-worthy ones.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:40 pm to MightyYat
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The Audi is in a right turn lane.
no intention of turning
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:40 pm to SirWinston
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If McKnight hadnt "entered" the car through the window would the shooting possibly still be ruled as justified self defense? Or would that be super murky
The cop in N.O. that taught my CC class clearly stated to my class that a person needed to be reaching into the vehicle. You can't shoot an unarmed person standing around the perimeter of your car.
McKnight seems to have crossed the threshold, due to Gasser walking.
Again- people are saying I am wrong about this, but this is what I was told/taught in class. If I am wrong, please tell me how and source experience stated in explanation.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:40 pm to OweO
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Was JM just standing outside of the shooter's car or was he trying to get into his car?
I think the answer to this question is the where this case turns.
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Could this be compared to the Will Smith situation in any way?
Not really. Will Smith situation involved both parties exiting their vehicles and getting into a heated argument. Also witness statements that say that Smith announced that he had a gun and then went back to his car to retrieve it. Very very different.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:40 pm to rt3
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yeah... JM's vehicle is in a turn lane and doesn't look like plans on turning any time soon
Agree. And, if the argument started miles back, it's certainly plausible that JM may have been "chasing" gasser and pulled up beside him while stopped.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:42 pm to moneyg
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Agree. And, if the argument started miles back, it's certainly plausible that JM may have been "chasing" gasser and pulled up beside him while stopped.
logic seems to dictate this is what happened at this point, but the question is why? did gasser make an aggressive move or cut mcknight off earlier? i wonder what started the whole incident?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:42 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Did we ever get a resolution to the Will Smith killing?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:42 pm to OweO
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Was JM just standing outside of the shooter's car or was he trying to get into his car?
JM may have pushed the window in trying to get in the car or maybe he pushed it in while falling down after being shot. All we really know is it sounds like he was leaning down based on bully entry. Was he forcing himself in or just leaning down arguing? Once this guy lawyers up he will say the right things I assume. It's a shitty situation nontheless.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:42 pm to tigerskin
Did Cardell not shoot a man in the back and his wife in the foot while standing outside of his vehicle?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to TrebleHook
You and shel misunderstood what I meant. I was referring that lethal self-defense would be justified even is someone was not actively trying to enter your vehicle. An example would be if someone had a gun or pipe and threatening you from outside of your car. Verbal assault could also lead to a justified shooting.
Some people here a trying to make it a clear cut boundary issue under LA's Castle Doctrine but that is not necessarily the case just because vehicles are involved.
Some people here a trying to make it a clear cut boundary issue under LA's Castle Doctrine but that is not necessarily the case just because vehicles are involved.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to rt3
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so it wouldn't be a completely preposterous assumption to say Gasser was boxed in by a red light in front of him, a car behind him, an Audi to his right (that we can see clearly) and probably a car on his left side at the time of the incident?
I'm in that area often and it's always busy. That's quite possible.
McKnight was stupid for getting out of his car and caused an escalation. However, I don't think the shooter is quite in the clear unless there is reason to believe that McKnight tried to reach into his car or open his door (since McKnight didn't have a gun). I think they said the incident happened on the bridge though, so if McKnight followed him off of the bridge, then the guy could have been thinking the worst.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to NimbleCat
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You can't shoot an unarmed person standing around the perimeter of your car.
If there is a reasonable fear of an imminent threat on your life, you can. Arguing outside the car doesn't cross that threshold, but other things could.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to bwallcubfan
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bwallcubfan
Trial (or at least some sort of hearing) is happening this month I believe.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to bwallcubfan
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Did we ever get a resolution to the Will Smith killing?
was about to ask the same thing. that case is pretty fricked up and i haven't heard anything in ages.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:43 pm to lionward2014
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If they were going for as far as some of y'all made it out to be, his windows were down, and Joe was on the passenger side (presumably unarmed but that presumption is subject to change), I don't think he had a reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm. He should have called the cops or kept his window up and ignored him, I just have a hard time believing with what has been released so far that this is justifiable.
To be fair, if McKnight was trying to get into the passenger side of the vehicle, Gasser doesn't need to be in fear of his life. He can shoot him just for trying to get into the vehicle.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:44 pm to NimbleCat
Gasser isn't walking yet. He just hasn't been charged yet. He could still be charged. That is why the JPSO is still investigating.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:45 pm to CAD703X
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was about to ask the same thing.
Jury selection was last month.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:45 pm to tigerskin
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Serious question because I don't know the law. Why did Cardell have to stay in jail while Gasser doesn't when both will be making arguments for self defense?
I guess the simple answer is the evidence directed JP deputies to believe Gasser's story more than the evidence directed the NOPD to believe Hayes'
Also, as Normand stated, Gasser has been completely cooperative with investigators and they apparently don't believe he's a flight risk
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:45 pm to slackster
I'm gonna go ahead and say that it does NOT look good for Joe at this point based upon the pictures and the info at the presser.
I think it's definitely plausible (subject to more evidence being revealed) that Joe was leaning into the passenger window when he was shot, and thus this would be justified.
I think it's definitely plausible (subject to more evidence being revealed) that Joe was leaning into the passenger window when he was shot, and thus this would be justified.
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