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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:45 pm to jamboybarry
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:45 pm to jamboybarry
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I guess they could have, but this seems like reaching to fit a narrative when taken with the other discounting facts
What if Paddock was a gunrunner or whatever for the FBI and had a few encounters with ISIS and they converted him, they plan this attack all along and either go up and shoot the guard and kill Paddock and shoot for a period of time then jet, or Paddock helps them carry on the massacre then they kill him make it look like a suicide and they escape! Far fetched but maybe the investigators are looking at footage of hotel entrances to see for something mysterious like some goat frickers fleeing the hotel
In this scenario the FBI has the possibility of knowing nothing, its just a gunrunner radicalized and was setup by ISIS to look like a suicide, maybe with him being seen with hookers he like the sound of 72 virgins
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 12:51 pm
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:46 pm to jamboybarry
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Biggest question to this theory is why bring the guns loaded to this suspected arms deal?
Ease of transport or Paddock was in on it. I am leaning towards him being in on it.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:48 pm to jamboybarry
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Biggest question to this theory is why bring the guns loaded to this suspected arms deal?
True but if Paddock was radicalized why not bring loaded guns
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:49 pm to KyleOrtonsMustache
Any reason he couldn’t have just started shooting through the windows? If it was me I don’t think I would have worried about a hammer.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:50 pm to DeoreDX
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I see most people posting to this thread are not a big fan of Occam's Razor.
I'm just bullshitting.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:50 pm to SwampBandit
Another problem I have with the 'arms dealer' theory in addition to the hammer is this: No arms dealer is going to purchase a bunch of rifles legally in his own name and then sell those to terrorist groups or whatever. Not to mention, all of the guns, most of which he purchased in the past year, were found at the scene or found at his home.
If he was a dumb enough "dealer" to buy guns in his own name and sell them, he would have years and years of documented purchases presumably.
If he was a dumb enough "dealer" to buy guns in his own name and sell them, he would have years and years of documented purchases presumably.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:51 pm to The Mick
I am not sure if this has been posted or anyone has looked at this, but this is what the different type of rooms in Mandalay Bay look like. Just looking at the virtual tour or zoomed in pics, I would guess he was in an Executive King suite.
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I am curious to know exactly how he was able to get all of the guns into his room. Thinking about the several times I have gone to LV.. Each time I stayed on the strip.. While it seems like it would be easy to come in and out multiple time and there are also multiple entries in most places, there will be staffers there who would likely notice if a guy is coming back and forth within a certain period of time, each time carrying a bag.
If he had the guns in his vehicle and he went back and forth 4 or 5 times in an hour, the people who watches the eyes in the skies would pick up on it as well as the people on the floor so he would have had to do it in away it doesn't raise any flags. Maybe two or three trips on each day, the first few days he was there.
I am sure they already know this, but I wonder if this will change any safety policies as well? There is a constant flow of people come out of all the hotels on the strip. Between people checking in, checking out, people walking the strip visiting each hotel, people coming for whatever event is at any given hotel, etc.
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I am curious to know exactly how he was able to get all of the guns into his room. Thinking about the several times I have gone to LV.. Each time I stayed on the strip.. While it seems like it would be easy to come in and out multiple time and there are also multiple entries in most places, there will be staffers there who would likely notice if a guy is coming back and forth within a certain period of time, each time carrying a bag.
If he had the guns in his vehicle and he went back and forth 4 or 5 times in an hour, the people who watches the eyes in the skies would pick up on it as well as the people on the floor so he would have had to do it in away it doesn't raise any flags. Maybe two or three trips on each day, the first few days he was there.
I am sure they already know this, but I wonder if this will change any safety policies as well? There is a constant flow of people come out of all the hotels on the strip. Between people checking in, checking out, people walking the strip visiting each hotel, people coming for whatever event is at any given hotel, etc.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:53 pm to The Mick
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Another problem I have with the 'arms dealer' theory in addition to the hammer is this: No arms dealer is going to purchase a bunch of rifles legally in his own name and then sell those to terrorist groups or whatever. Not to mention, all of the guns, most of which he purchased in the past year, were found at the scene or found at his home. If he was a dumb enough "dealer" to buy guns in his own name and sell them, he would have years and years of documented purchases presumably.
this as well as stay in the damn scene of the crime checked in under the same name you bought the guns in
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:55 pm to OweO
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I am curious to know exactly how he was able to get all of the guns into his room. Thinking about the several times I have gone to LV.. Each time I stayed on the strip.. While it seems like it would be easy to come in and out multiple time and there are also multiple entries in most places, there will be staffers there who would likely notice if a guy is coming back and forth within a certain period of time, each time carrying a bag. If he had the guns in his vehicle and he went back and forth 4 or 5 times in an hour, the people who watches the eyes in the skies would pick up on it as well as the people on the floor so he would have had to do it in away it doesn't raise any flags. Maybe two or three trips on each day, the first few days he was there. I am sure they already know this, but I wonder if this will change any safety policies as well? There is a constant flow of people come out of all the hotels on the strip. Between people checking in, checking out, people walking the strip visiting each hotel, people coming for whatever event is at any given hotel, etc.
With no precedent for something like this happening, what would it have mattered if they noticed? they'd just brush it off and go about their day. Just like we will again 3 years from now when the guard goes back down.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:56 pm to The Mick
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No arms dealer is going to purchase a bunch of rifles legally in his own name and then sell those to terrorist groups or whatever. Not to mention, all of the guns, most of which he purchased in the past year, were found at the scene or found at his home.
You are missing the word radicalized, if he was part of being a gunrunner maybe he had encounters with ISIS they turned the idiot and setup this plot, ISIS guy/guys show up and either kill Paddock or Paddock and the ISIS guys perform the massacre together then they kill him and shoot the guard either before or after the shooting and flee the scene leading people to believe he did it and then ate a bullet. The security guard could have either been paid off by Paddock and decided im in deep shite let me shoot myself in the leg and say he did it, or this guy who for being a so called hero that hasnt got to talk to the media is getting drilled by the FBI right now....
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:57 pm to The Mick
has this thread went full tinfoil hat? Also, is there a certain page I can get cliffs?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:58 pm to OweO
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While it seems like it would be easy to come in and out multiple time and there are also multiple entries in most places, there will be staffers there who would likely notice if a guy is coming back and forth within a certain period of time, each time carrying a bag.
The exact opposite is true. It is a Casino that is constantly hosting Seminars, etc. Anyone that stays there can attest that all day, every day, there is constantly containers/suitcases/cases being wheeled (lol) in and out of the lobby, and taken to rooms. Getting the guns into the room was probably the easiest part of the entire plot.
Hell, you could have probably gotten all the guns in with one big container used to carry Expo set and equipment.
Not to mention, if he did it in separate cases, over 3 days, bringing 1 bag up every couple of hours, do you really think it would even be noticed?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:59 pm to TennesseeFan25
Has anyone asked why bring that many guns? I can see bringing two, bringing four to have a pair for back up.
We are seeing people are saying he planned to escape, how is he moving that amount of fire power during an escape? If he planned on leaving them, then the guns are in his name and easy to trace...seems really weird. I don’t know if that’s been discussed.
We are seeing people are saying he planned to escape, how is he moving that amount of fire power during an escape? If he planned on leaving them, then the guns are in his name and easy to trace...seems really weird. I don’t know if that’s been discussed.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:59 pm to SwampBandit
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You are missing the word radicalized
Do you have even one shred of evidence he was radicalized?
-No known ISIS online presence
-No known ISIS contacts
-No martyrdom statement/video
-No overt statements to friends/family
Wat am I missing?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:00 pm to Rossberg02
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Has anyone asked why bring that many guns? I can see bringing two, bringing four to have a pair for back up.
Have you ever seen an AR barrel after firing on full auto?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:00 pm to Rossberg02
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We are seeing people are saying he planned to escape, how is he moving that amount of fire power during an escape? If he planned on leaving them, then the guns are in his name and easy to trace...seems really weird. I don’t know if that’s been discussed.
that crossed my mind as well. I mean, i can't see a scenario where like you say more than 4 long rifles would be needed to rain down on people for 10 minutes. then you have 8 more laying around (check that, 23 firearms in total) , what they hell you think you're going to do...
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to OweO
quote:
I am not sure if this has been posted or anyone has looked at this, but this is what the different type of rooms in Mandalay Bay look like. Just looking at the virtual tour or zoomed in pics, I would guess he was in an Executive King suite.
LINK
I am curious to know exactly how he was able to get all of the guns into his room. Thinking about the several times I have gone to LV.. Each time I stayed on the strip.. While it seems like it would be easy to come in and out multiple time and there are also multiple entries in most places, there will be staffers there who would likely notice if a guy is coming back and forth within a certain period of time, each time carrying a bag.
If he had the guns in his vehicle and he went back and forth 4 or 5 times in an hour, the people who watches the eyes in the skies would pick up on it as well as the people on the floor so he would have had to do it in away it doesn't raise any flags. Maybe two or three trips on each day, the first few days he was there.
I am sure they already know this, but I wonder if this will change any safety policies as well? There is a constant flow of people come out of all the hotels on the strip. Between people checking in, checking out, people walking the strip visiting each hotel, people coming for whatever event is at any given hotel, etc.
He was there all weekend. Probably did one bag every couple hours from different entrances. Would be very easy to do this with 100's of people going in and out. Even if he did it all at once security would probably think he's carrying his family's bags or something.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to The Mick
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No proof or link to radicalization of paddock
That theory (which I do believe) hinges on there being a video of him proclaiming that we haven't been told about. Something along those lines has been alluded to thought.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:03 pm to jamboybarry
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Do you have even one shred of evidence he was radicalized?
-No known ISIS online presence
-No known ISIS contacts
-No martyrdom statement/video
-No overt statements to friends/family
ISIS claims that he was converted and performed the attack
You got any shred of evidence that he wasnt...I will sit and wait because your argument about me not having evidence that he was affiliated with ISIS is asinine when you dont have evidence that he wasnt
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:05 pm to SwampBandit
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ISIS claims that he was converted and performed the attack
And? That doesn't address any of the points I made and ISIS has made false claims before
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