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re: Marines to Shut Down All Tank Units, Cut Infantry Battalions in Major Overhaul
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
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the service prepares for a potential face-off with China.
There’s not going to be any conventional war with the Chinese. Those days are long gone.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:36 am to Lima Whiskey
I think they’re looking at better defining the mission of the Marine Corps. Future Marine Corps missions may not require heavy armor and artillery. It has always been difficult for the 105’s to keep up with maneuvering infantry. Leave fire support to the 81’s and naval guns. Half the time, arty wasn’t available because they were relocating. You can’t just keep leap frogging a split battery either...they would get slaughtered due to lack of security. We’ll be fine with 81’s and close air support. CAS doesn’t have to be provided by Marines either and more often than not wasn’t.
Also, and I can’t believe you guys haven’t figured this out, it will ensure females (by and large) are not able to fill combat roles in the Corps...which is a damn good thing.
Also, and I can’t believe you guys haven’t figured this out, it will ensure females (by and large) are not able to fill combat roles in the Corps...which is a damn good thing.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:46 am to rmnldr
I was thinking of the Turkish experience in Idlib. The Russians turned off their air defense systems for a day as part of a ceasefire, and the Turks took immediate advantage - flooding Syria with drones.
The Turks inflicted significant damage on the Syrians.
When the Russians flipped their air defense system back on, the drones ceased to be effective. The Turks lost 20 twenty over the next few days.
The Turks lost a number to missile fire, but the Russian electronic warfare platforms seem to have done just as much damage. The Turkish drones started crashing at a very high rate.
The Turks inflicted significant damage on the Syrians.
When the Russians flipped their air defense system back on, the drones ceased to be effective. The Turks lost 20 twenty over the next few days.
The Turks lost a number to missile fire, but the Russian electronic warfare platforms seem to have done just as much damage. The Turkish drones started crashing at a very high rate.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:07 pm to Lima Whiskey
The current Commandant can shape a Corps if the future that will last for decades. Al Gray did it in the late 80s and a couple of other made some definite changes that had long lasting impact. But for the life of me, I do not understand the drastic manpower cut. A couple of 3 Infantry Battalions could mean a little longer between deployments. The reduction in Aviation, well, there has always been an underlying current of discontent there.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:08 pm to Darth_Vader
Just get rid of the WM's and farm out the admins and logistics personnel to civilians.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:22 pm to Darth_Vader
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the Marine Corps will no longer have law enforcement battalions
Will shore patrol be their policing body?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:27 pm to chinese58
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Will shore patrol be their policing body?
I was wondering the same. SP's are usually fat douchebags.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is the Type 96 Main Battle Tank. It’s the backbone of the PLA
Incorrect.
This is the backbone of the PLA.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:58 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Read the original quoted subject matter in then first post. . Then see Darth’s derailment down a rabbit trail...
Get back to me on that.
Get back to me on that.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 6:29 pm to geauxtigers87
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here's something random: the marines had shermans that ran on diesel in the Pacific
Diesel is less flammable and explosive than regular gas. That’s pretty important to the Navy, especially when they are being transported across the pacific.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 6:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is the Type 96 Main Battle Tank. It’s the backbone of the PLA armored forces.
With all due respect, please don't throw out comments on subjects you have no idea about. Below is the main battle tank of China's army.

Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:55 pm to Lima Whiskey
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It will leave the Marines too light to support themselves in combat.
I agree with those who would reply to you with the reminder that the Marines see themselves as light infantry. They consider themselves to be the finest light infantry in the world.
Light infantry may not have enough organic assets to sustain themselves in heavy combat, that's true. You're right about that. The intent is to not use the USMC in combat against enemy armor and mechanized forces.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:56 pm to 4Ghost
Holy crap. My phone is going crazy. They announced the cuts. Old buddies are texting and calling asking WTF. The 8th Marines are being disbanded. Very sad. I spent four great years with 1/8 Weapons company. It was four of the best years that I spent in the Corps. They’ve been active for 70 years. Wow. 1/8 is going to the 2nd Marines and 3/8 will join the 6th. 2/8 and HQ are just gone.
Additionally, they slashed a shite load of air wing units. Looks like Camp Johnson will be a ghost town. Damn.
Additionally, they slashed a shite load of air wing units. Looks like Camp Johnson will be a ghost town. Damn.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:20 am to Volvagia
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What is this? Straight up budget cuts or reallocation of resources?
They don't have the funds they need for more F-35's. Robbing Peter to pay Paul
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:15 am to Darth_Vader
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also reducing its number of infantry battalions from 24 to 21
Excuse me for asking for a clarification of a fact that may be obvious, but, this means that the entire US Marine Corps now has 24 infantry battalions and will reduce that number to 21 infantry battalions in the entire USMC?
Anybody know whether these numbers include the USMC Reserve numbers of infantry battalions?
Thank.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:18 am to salty1
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8th Marines are being disbanded
Wow. Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian, Okinawa and that's just the WWII history
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:20 am to SadSouthernBuck
The Abrams will run on pretty much anything that will burn. Mainly used JP-8 but we've burned whatever we could get when necessary.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 11:51 am to salty1
Sad, truly sad. You can never have enough “Boots for the ground” to have “Boots on the ground”!
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