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re: Man killed in officer-involved shooting at Atlanta fast food restaurant
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:09 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:09 pm to upgrayedd
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That's because you have the luxury of armchair quarterbacking this thing
True. Which is why I would seriously weigh the option to discharge my firearm in this situation.
The assailant was fleeing, he turned to discharge the taser he took off of a cop after resisting arrest & assaulting the officer. He either fired or failed to fire. Video evidence does not confirm he actually shot the taser but it also doesn't show if he did. He turns to run away with taser. Thats when the officer decided to shoot him.
You can argue that he was a potential risk to public safety but, I still don't think you shoot at that point. There is still time to subdue the suspect due to his high level of intoxication/ exhaustion (he was passed out which is why the cops were called).
He was running towards a large open parking lot behind the Wendy's where a foot pursuit probably would have benefited him in alluding arrest.
I'm not a cop so I don't know if the shooting is protocol but I'd be willing to bet it's not how they are trained.
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:11 pm to BigDropper
Why is the second cop in the incident potentially getting fired? The second cop didn’t do shite wrong and he’s being bundled in to this like he pulled the trigger.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:12 pm to brass2mouth
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Would you rather the cop wait to see if the suspect using the taser on him allows said suspect to take his gun?
Then the officer could use his backup?
Or maybe the suspect aims the taser at the cops face and he loses an eye...
Then it would be justified, right?
I already answered these, go back to page 8 and read.
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Or are you just playing a knucklehead for the sake of playing a knucklehead
No, I don't think the shoot was legit. It was a little premature. The suspect was fleeing & not attacking.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:12 pm to BigDropper
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You can argue that he was a potential risk to public safety but, I still don't think you shoot at that point
I'm arguing that was an imminent threat to the cop at that point in time. Any time an assailant points any kind of weapon at you, lethal or less than lethal, the use of deadly force is justified. It's pretty cut and dry at that point.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:13 pm to Farmer Joe
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Why is the second cop in the incident potentially getting fired? The second cop didn’t do shite wrong and he’s being bundled in to this like he pulled the trigger.
This question would get better results if you asked his boss, or new boss.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:14 pm to Farmer Joe
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Why is the second cop in the incident potentially getting fired? The second cop didn’t do shite wrong and he’s being bundled in to this like he pulled the trigger.
Doesn't matter who they fire or who gets charged. They won't get convicted and the city will pay them alot of money when it all washes out.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:16 pm to BigDropper
Excellent troll job sir. Best yet.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:17 pm to BigDropper
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No, I don't think the shoot was legit. It was a little premature. The suspect was fleeing & not attacking.
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GBI Director Vic Reynolds said surveillance footage from the Wendy’s appeared to show Brooks turn toward the police and attempt to fire the Taser as he ran away.
That’s when the officer chasing Brooks pulled out his gun and shot him, authorities said.
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Sooooo when you’re running away do you usually turn and shoot tasers at cops? Unless...you know...you’re trying to inflict harm.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:24 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm arguing that was an imminent threat to the cop at that point in time. Any time an assailant points any kind of weapon at you, lethal or less than lethal, the use of deadly force is justified. It's pretty cut and dry at that point.
I will respectfully disagree. The maximum effective range of a taser is 10 feet. The maximum effective range of a 9mm is well beyond 10 feet. Cop only shoots after assailant turns back around to flee. I don't question whether he felt endangered, but if someone is running away, how threatened can you be?
Yes he already engaged in physical altercation with the cop but he's not currently on top of cop hitting him. Hes running away because he's intoxicated & scared.
I'm not stating any of this to justify the bad guys actions. He should have complied. I just think the cop had other options other than shoot.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:26 pm to brass2mouth
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Sooooo when you’re running away do you usually turn and shoot tasers at cops? Unless...you know...you’re trying to inflict harm.
I already answered this. Go back & read.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:27 pm to Ba Ba Boooey
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troll job
Not my style.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:32 pm to BigDropper
Do you think it would have been more justified if one of the cops would have shot him while he was locked up with and assaulting the other officer and grabbing for weapons?
The shooting in the back while running stuff is iffy af with me. But I’m pretty sure I’d have been ok with it in that moment on the ground.
The shooting in the back while running stuff is iffy af with me. But I’m pretty sure I’d have been ok with it in that moment on the ground.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:38 pm to BigDropper
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I will respectfully disagree.
You've obviously never been in a high stress situation like that. Full disclosure, neither have I, but I've done force on force training and these situations don't happen in the vacuum you think they do. This cop had every right to believe he was in imminent danger no matter what you may think while sitting on your couch. This shite happens fast and he acted well within the law and an sort of SOP of any department around the country. You're just wrong plain and simple. You obviously have no perspective on the potential dangers of that situation.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
Just read through the thread. All I have to say is:
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BigDropper
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:44 pm to BigDropper
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suspect due to his high level of intoxication/ exhaustion
Yeah these folks are known to catch a second wind and go psycho
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:49 pm to BigDropper
I have read all y'alls comments and I have the final verdict for you.
This will be ruled a "good shooting".
Resisting & then DISARMING AN OFFICER is serious. Not only did the subject disarm the officer...he attempted to use the weapon on him. Yes, a taser is disarming an officer. The officer is justified to use lethal force when a taser is being used against him.
A couple of things to consider:
What happens if the subject tases the officer and drops him? Does the subject run or stand over him and executes him with his own firearm? As an officer, you don't like those odds.
The subject turns and points a weapon at the officer. This is a huge. Is that officer certain it's the taser pointing at him or a pistol? Keep in mind the 3 of them just fought on the ground. There was probably 4 guns amongst the two officers, primary and backup, involved in that scuffle. The lighting appears to be poor in that area so that officer maybe was not certain if it was a gun or not, regardless (does he wait to find out, no)...he is still justified even he did confirm it was a taser.
This will be ruled a "good shooting".
Resisting & then DISARMING AN OFFICER is serious. Not only did the subject disarm the officer...he attempted to use the weapon on him. Yes, a taser is disarming an officer. The officer is justified to use lethal force when a taser is being used against him.
A couple of things to consider:
What happens if the subject tases the officer and drops him? Does the subject run or stand over him and executes him with his own firearm? As an officer, you don't like those odds.
The subject turns and points a weapon at the officer. This is a huge. Is that officer certain it's the taser pointing at him or a pistol? Keep in mind the 3 of them just fought on the ground. There was probably 4 guns amongst the two officers, primary and backup, involved in that scuffle. The lighting appears to be poor in that area so that officer maybe was not certain if it was a gun or not, regardless (does he wait to find out, no)...he is still justified even he did confirm it was a taser.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
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ReauxlTide222
Yes. I guess I just don't like the optics on this one. I just went to watch Brandon Tatum's video & he is saying what many here are saying.
I guess I can concede that, since I respect his opinion, I respect everyone's opinion saying the shoot was legit. I just don't like how this looks. I'm tired of all the dissension these situations cause.
Sorry if I pissed some of you off. Thanks for your patience. I was waiting for a voice of reason from someone in law enforcement & former officer Tatum confirmed what many of you here were saying.
I yield back..
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:53 pm to BigDropper
You’re good in my book, my man 
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:56 pm to Farmer Joe
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Why is the second cop in the incident potentially getting fired? The second cop didn’t do shite wrong and he’s being bundled in to this like he pulled the trigger.
If either cop gets fired the City of Atlanta is fixing to pay their arse.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:57 pm to BigDropper
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Yes. I guess I just don't like the optics on this one. I just went to watch Brandon Tatum's video & he is saying what many here are saying.
I guess I can concede that, since I respect his opinion, I respect everyone's opinion saying the shoot was legit. I just don't like how this looks. I'm tired of all the dissension these situations cause.
Sorry if I pissed some of you off. Thanks for your patience. I was waiting for a voice of reason from someone in law enforcement & former officer Tatum confirmed what many of you here were saying.
I yield back..
Begrudgingly....
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