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re: Man Banned from National Parks For Organizing 139-Person Grand Canyon Hike
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:15 pm to hikingfan
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:15 pm to hikingfan
I’ve hiked south Kaibab, bright angel and north Kaibab and 139 people is just way too many people. The mules have the right of way, and south kaibab doesn’t have water, bight angel can sometimes have water issues as well as north kaibab.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:20 pm to OMLandshark
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These fricking morons have no clue why National Parks were developed in the first place.
And YOU do??
Go ahead and mention Uncle Teddy Roosevelt.
Have at it.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:22 pm to Liberator
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Too late. I'm also cringing at the subservience and obedience in this thread over "official" (and amateur) precautions that are total BS.
Its not even about this to me. Its about you ruining shite for everyone else in the park that day.Its selfish as shite.
Similar to those crowds in Panama City for spring break. Just trashy people.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:24 pm to 0x15E
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It has nothing to do with COVID. The 11 person rule has been in place long before COVID restrictions.
The article does say it was restricted to 30 people since 2014 and then 11 after start of pandemic.
I wonder how many of the people that are bitching about the limits have even seen these trails?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:24 pm to OMLandshark
HERE is what (more like WHO) is being "protected" and "preserved" (Feral NOT "Public" lands claimed FOR elites, BY Elites, OF The Elites. To hide, use, and do with what THEY want. NO, NOT YOU, Invader-Citizen)
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:27 pm to lsunurse
The trails aren’t terribly narrow, but with mules having the right of way everyone just has to use common sense
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:30 pm to Gorilla Ball
I would be so scared to ride those mules down.
I’ve never hiked down to the bottom but have been to GC several times. One day though I will….
I’ve never hiked down to the bottom but have been to GC several times. One day though I will….
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:32 pm to lsunurse
The LCA family is going to North Rim in May... And Lake Powell.. This has been an illuminating day for me on the OT
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:33 pm to hikingfan
How do you ban someone from entering a National Park when there are highways which cut through national parks? Is he no longer allowed to travel?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:36 pm to shawnlsu
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Land of the free my arse
Remind me not to be on a trail when you're hiking. TIA.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:38 pm to Liberator
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room temperature IQ morons
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Liberator
Checks out.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:41 pm to TheEnglishman
Its not about COVId its about overuse and resource management and people/visitor management
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:42 pm to LCA131
Hope y’all have a wonderful vacation! 
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:45 pm to MileHighDraw
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MileHighDraw
Unless you’re planning on armed revolution to take back the parks and run them how you see fit, people like you are the reason the NPS has adopted closure as a management strategy.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:46 pm to MileHighDraw
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Why are you assuming these people are going there to do harm to the trails? You realize that the Grand Canyon sees over a million visitors each year?!
Crowded trails like that are dangerous. The NPS does extensive PSAR work that is preventative search and rescue to mitigate issues. Also all of the people who properly applied for permits will now have a horrible experience. Parks are very dangerous places on a hot summer day for those who are not prepared and for those who must go fetch them.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:47 pm to Liberator
The Unites States government owns almost one-third (28 percent) of the entire nation. Through various agencies that include the United States Forest Service, the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Fish and Wildlife Service, the total owned “by the people, for the people” comes to a staggering 640 million acres of land.
Most of the federal owned land lies in the Rocky Mountains and to the West. In fact, the US government owns 47 percent of the land in the western states, (versus just 4 percent in states east of the Rockies.
The federal government’s extent of involvement and oversight in the management of western lands is far more than a conflict about grazing, water, mining, logging and other development. It is said to pit the principle of good stewardship of the land, for the welfare of present and future generations. (Is that true? For almost HALF of all land in Western US? AND extremely restrictive access) vs, "A government that governs best is that which governs least".
One Viewpoint:
A powerful, over-officious central government is required to assume authority, restrict access, punish rule-breakers (increasingly so, since "resource depletion" is said to be a growing threat (IS IT?)
Alternative Viewpoint:
Constant government intervention in all facets of life can be a problem more than the solution -- and the stated reasons for it -– be it "conservation" or "climate change" – may just be convenient cover stories at best.
So which is best? Is it one or the other? Or more of a balance of both?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:47 pm to hikingfan
You can really tell who has gone hiking at national parks and who hasn't. I strongly suspect those taking issue with this are the those you'll see on motorized scooters or with hiking sticks on the paved paths at Zion.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:51 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
SteelerBravesDawg:
Be sure an wear your safety goggles, crash-helmet, therapeutic hiking shoes, double-masks and visor when exploring that crazy-dangerous park trail.
Be sure an wear your safety goggles, crash-helmet, therapeutic hiking shoes, double-masks and visor when exploring that crazy-dangerous park trail.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:52 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Remind me not to be on a trail when you're hiking. TIA.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 4:52 pm to lsunurse
I’ve hiked it a few times, twice rim to rim. And I’ve always thought that the mules were scarier, these animals are sure footed and do this all day line but the height of being on top of the mule I think would bother me.
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