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re: Major wildfire in Los Angeles (and Pasadena)
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I read that the chaparral growth takes about 6-8 years between fires to become tinder again. Its seems simple removal of fuel sources would benefit these folks greatly.
Fire frequency and intensity are both much lower in Chaparral forests than other more temperate forests. The Chaparral doesn't recover like other forests, and each successive fire leads to poorer growth that is drier and more invasive vegetation. Thoughts have changed over the past couple decades as to the fire frequency needs of those landscapes.
A good photo that shows the above:
There has been some interesting research into the historic role of fire in the Chaparral. Tree ring studies advanced understanding the most.
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:18 pm to OMLandshark
The neighbor you may not want but the one you need.
SIAP
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:26 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There has been some interesting research into the historic role of fire in the Chaparral. Tree ring studies advanced understanding the most.
Goats grazing the hills around LA is the answer.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:27 pm to loogaroo
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Goats grazing the hills around LA is the answer.
Hell, they don't hurt. They work 24/7, are entertaining as hell, and will eat anything.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:28 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:30 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Hell, they don't hurt. They work 24/7, are entertaining as hell, and will eat anything.
My thread on the PT took off discussing this. Looks like a viable solution.
The hills around LA used to be grazed by cattle.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:32 pm to loogaroo
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My thread on the PT took off discussing this. Looks like a viable solution.
The hills around LA used to be grazed by cattle.
They're actually in use in some areas already. Some places in Europe use them, too.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:41 pm to TT9
Seeing thousands of homes turned to ash is like the Super Bowl for the Climate Change Cult.
You have been beating your dick raw the last 5 days.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:55 pm to OMLandshark
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eah, I’m definitely going with arson at this point. What are the chances of it starting on a trail rather than a downed power line or something near the interstate? If it’s started on a trail on a clear day, the most likely culprit is arson.
It could have been accidentally started by idiots on the trail. Ive hiked that trail to skull rock, and there was graffiti and some signs of people partying at the skull rock area.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:01 pm to James11111
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:05 pm to James11111
Look like mofo starting a fire -
Arson
Arson
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:12 pm to OMLandshark
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Do these people own a fricking mirror? Whenever a hurricane comes along, they go nuts on DeSantis
I don't recall liberals ever criticizing Florida or desantis for hurricane response and management. Nor was the building collapse politicized.
However, liberals did criticize Abbott and Texas Republicans for the deep freeze a few years ago.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:16 pm to 632627
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:21 pm to OMLandshark
I can't imagine the looting going on right now.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:22 pm to OMLandshark
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Senator Schiff is incorrect. Pacific Palisades is served by the Santa Ynez reservoir, which holds 117 million gallons of water. It was empty for maintenance at the time the fires broke out. The Governor has ordered an investigation.
So…. Someone please explain to me why anyone would “choose” to do maintenance on the reservoir during peak fire season??? The Santa Ana winds typically flare up from early November until early March.
Why do the maintainence at this time??
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:24 pm to Tammany Tom
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So…. Someone please explain to me why anyone would “choose” to do maintenance on the reservoir during peak fire season???
This isn't peak fire season. It is historically the slowest time of the year for wildfires in California.
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The Santa Ana winds typically flare up from early November until early March.
They also typically get more rain along with those winds.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:27 pm to OMLandshark
She knows she’s keeping her job. She’s already been briefed.
This is climate related and a once in 5000 year event, there’s nothing the mayor could’ve done about the wind.
This is climate related and a once in 5000 year event, there’s nothing the mayor could’ve done about the wind.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
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They also typically get more rain along with those winds.
Having a dry season has been known.
Knowing it has been a dry season plus the drying effect of the Santa Ana winds should have triggered a more proactive response, but I don’t know when decisions were made or how quickly they could have pushed reopening to at least add some water.
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Santa Ana winds are known for the hot, dry weather that they bring in autumn (often the hottest of the year), but they can also arise at other times of the year. They often bring the lowest relative humidities of the year to coastal Southern California, and "beautifully clear skies". These low humidities, combined with the warm, compressionally-heated air mass, plus high wind speeds, create critical fire weather conditions, and fan destructive wildfires.
Frigid, dry arctic air from Canada tends to create the most intense Santa Ana winds.
… Santa Ana winds are associated in the public mind with dry hot weather, but cold Santa Anas not only exist but have a strong correlation with the highest "regionally averaged" wind speeds.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:50 pm to LegendInMyMind
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This isn't peak fire season.
Yes… see that you are correct.
California’s fire season can start as early as May, with the season’s peak falling from July to October. However, the most catastrophic fires historically have happened in September and October.
LINK
Posted on 1/12/25 at 4:53 pm to dallastigers
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