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re: LSU Pathologists Reveal Unexpected Heart Damage from Covid-19

Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:33 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:33 am to
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This isn't follow the science, this is how much lies and bullshite can we feed the public to keep them in panic.


This is a perfect example of correlation does not equal causation. The absurd denial that obese diabetics that may o rmay not have died whilst having COvid, does not mean they died of covid. They died of putting harmful shite into their bodies for years. You know, like the fricking big mac Edwards was using to bribe people to test positive for Covid.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:34 am to
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Since none of you actually read the link... one of the first things they are quoted saying is that they want to study it further for potential treatment interventions.



Yet the title of the article reads

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Autopsies reveal surprising cardiac changes in COVID-19 patients


Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
61384 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:35 am to
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I don't know why they look different


Highlighted the answer you seek
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:36 am to
Or is it from the mcdonalds they all gorge on?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:38 am to
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Sounds like we need some grants to do some studies

Yes, that is how NIH-funded research works.
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
11032 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:41 am to
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The same science that told us 3 months ago that masks weren't necessary


This was a poor attempt to get everyone to stop buying all the masks so they could be used for medical purposes. We knew then it was bull shite.


Um, yeah. That's my point, as you have pointed out, scientists and medical professionals will withhold the truth or outright lie to fit their agenda.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:42 am to
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Every time they talk about a person dying and they are not 80 and actually show a picture of that person they are almost always obese, followed by a family member saying they were perfectly healthy. Then you find out they had a host of other ailments that no one wants to say. So again, 99% of the people dying have a ton of other issues. COVID-19 just speeds it up. Not scary one iota unless you fall into that category.
They are always that rare physically fit, morbidly obese, type 2 insulin dependent, chronic High BP, couch potato to the extent of bed sores, on the 10k calorie daily diet, iron man triathaloner.
Posted by NastyTiger
Hammond/Baton Rouge/Lafayette
Member since Jun 2005
11271 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:45 am to
That's probably actually due to alcohol.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118276 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:47 am to
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LSU is Maoist University South

You can't trust anything they say about this virus




Or anything else. Like coastal erosion or vulnerability. Ask Ivor.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16694 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:20 am to
And yet the MSM still won’t entertain the idea that this thing was engineered.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:22 am to

By Gates, Fauci and Obama. Amirite?
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16694 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:23 am to
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By Gates, Fauci and Obama. Amirite?


Try the giant communist adversary from which it originated
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:28 am to
let me show you how this works. if you read the actual publication....

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The most significant finding was severe right
ventricular dilation (defined as right: left ventricular cavity diameter ratio of =1:1) in 9 cases
H&E stained sections showed neither large areas of myocyte necrosis, nor significant interstitial
lymphocytic infiltrate (Figure 1B). The sections were remarkable for scattered individual
myocyte necrosis (Figure 1B). Electron microscopy (EM) revealed particles consistent with SARSCoV-2 virus in the myocardial endothelial compartment, pneumocytes, and renal tubular
epithelium, but not in the myocytes of 6 patients examined by EM (Figure 1C, G, H). By
comparison, post-mortem analysis of patients who died from the SARS epidemic confirmed viral
genome in 35% of the hearts examined
there was no pathological
evidence of typical lymphocytic myocarditis. Rather, the hearts showed a pattern of individual
cell dropout/necrosis/apoptosis not associated with any lymphocytic infiltrate

The mechanism of cardiac injury in COVID-19 is not known. Our earlier report [1]
indicates that our patients suffered from diffuse alveolar damage, and pulmonary thrombotic and
microangiopathic changes. Based on this interpretation, and the acute RV dilatation seen in nine
patients, the elevated biomarkers may reflect extreme stress secondary to acute pulmonary
disease
The mechanism of cardiac injury in COVID-19 is not known. Our earlier report [1]
indicates that our patients suffered from diffuse alveolar damage, and pulmonary thrombotic and
microangiopathic changes. Based on this interpretation, and the acute RV dilatation seen in nine
patients, the elevated biomarkers may reflect extreme stress secondary to acute pulmonary
disease. Our EM data showing viral infection of the endothelial compartment is consistent with
a recent paper by Chen et al., which showed that despite representing a low absolute number of
cells in human hearts, pericytes contain up to 16% of the SARS-CoV-2 infected cell population
and may cause capillary endothelial cell/microvascular dysfunction, leading to increased
thrombosis and individual cell necrosis and/or apoptosis [4


let me summarize.

First, the most significant finding was an enlarged heart chamber due to overwhelming lung inflammation putting strain on the heart. This is not unusual for any serious lung disease.

Next, they did not find covid in heart tissue, they found random heart cells that were damaged and some virus in small blood vessels that could possibly be causing clotting issues.

When you actually read the paper it's not nearly as bad as the headline sounds. They claim its not typical myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) like that is a bad thing, I actually think it is a good thing that there isn't significant inflammation. I don't see anything in this letter that is concerning.

Covid appears to effect the heart less than SARS1
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 11:30 am
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3542 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:49 am to
Actually thought the findings were rather reassuring that this virus isn't adding another way to kill a person. It seems to correlate well with what would be expected from diffuse alveolar damage and its sequela leading to right heart failure and myocardial damage in that respect as opposed to direct cytotoxic effects on the myocardial cells themselves.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:55 am to
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Although there were other underlying conditions, the majority had high blood pressure, half had insulin-treated type 2 diabetes, and about 41% had obesity.
So you're telling us that the fact that they had pickled pig feet and lips, cracklins, boudin, and fried chicken as a daily main diet didn't help?
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:00 pm to
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Try the giant communist adversary from which it originated
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:11 pm to
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Actually thought the findings were rather reassuring that this virus isn't adding another way to kill a person. It seems to correlate well with what would be expected from diffuse alveolar damage and its sequela leading to right heart failure and myocardial damage in that respect as opposed to direct cytotoxic effects on the myocardial cells themselves.


Exactly!

I wish they would have commented on the amount of cellular damage
Posted by TheOtherSide
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2016
348 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:21 pm to
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Is it possible that the heart damage wasn’t actually caused by COVID?


The damage actually occurred as a result of working out at a gym while having underlying health conditions.

Just kidding.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14012 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:59 pm to
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The heart damage is more likely from the hardening of arteries due to the high triglycerides in the french fries and fried food these people ate.


I am assuming that most people who die with these same underlying conditions who do not have covid do not have this same heart damage or they wouldn't be reporting this.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13664 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 1:03 pm to
If the virus was causing significant struggle in oxygen replenishment and circulation on patients already susceptible others disease, this isn’t a shock.

Also, what treatments were these patients receiving to try to keep them alive.

It’s like saying Covid-19 caused Acute Lung Injury (ALI) or Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) when looking at autopsies of patients that were put on a mechanical ventilator which has previously been on its own to cause those issues in more than 50% of patients that are on them.
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