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re: Low carb diet, does it work?

Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:25 pm to
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:25 pm to
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Being diabetic sucks, fortunately, I love vegetables, so I eat a shite load of em and I probly avg 70- 100 carbs a day, I would really like to get back to 160


I think a different way to look at type 2 diabetes as one's body's natural reaction to food. You sadly were dealt a crappier deal and need to eat less carbs because your body doesn't react well to them. There are articles out there about how type 2's lower or completely rid themselves of insulin shots by getting rid of all carbs. I believe, off the top of my head, it was in the earlier 1900s (1920-30s).

It truly is amazing to watch us go from the fittest nation at the beginning of the 1900s to today...fat.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:25 pm to
1800 calorie diet and cardio 25 minutes a day works better.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9319 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:27 pm to
Thanks, I wonder if he and Dom know each other? I sent you an email informing you Attia left Nusci. I hope it reached you.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:31 pm to
It works because you are restricting calories. It's not magic. But even "lazy keto" works for most. Because many people are ingesting a ton of empty calories without realizing it.

When you pay attention to everything you eat you can lose weight. Keto works because unless you are eating a ribeye for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you are eating less and satiated.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:32 pm to
Yep. Attia is doing elite concierge work for individual patients/clients. Kirk Parsley does something similar to this. Their practices center on wellness (not sick care)

I am trying to figure out a hybrid model to do this along with my current traditional setup.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:33 pm to
I think Dom, Kirk, Peter all know one another.

Peter was one of the first civilians to trial exogenous ketones (from Dom)
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9319 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:35 pm to
Good luck! I saw a couple of current podcast that basically explained that. I had hoped you were staying on top of it, which you obviously are.
Posted by CornDog4Life
Pont Breaux
Member since Feb 2013
516 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:36 pm to
Paleo baw
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:39 pm to
Orly.

I have a Costco membership. Will have to keep an eye out
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:41 pm to
Another uncomfortable rabbit hole to explore

Some researchers call this type 3 diabetes (of the brain)

LINK


quote:

Large-Scale Review Identifies Pathways Linking Diabetes and Alzheimer’s Disease
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:44 pm to
Do it with intermittent fasting. You'll look like me in a few years with hard work and a LOT of determination.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9319 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:56 pm to
Alzheimer’s disease is nasty. I've already heard it called type 3 but haven't looked into it too much. My grandmother passed away due to it. Being weak and old while fighting that is no way to end your years on earth. That is why I recently added weight training. Now I'm desperately trying to overeat because I want to put on muscle, but it is dang hard.

As for Kirk, I agree...I get at least 7 hrs of sleep, and complain when I do. I get around 8-9 hours and my girlfriend deals with it, but complains. I take sleep very seriously. Adrenal failure scares me because I've spent years drinking coffee at 5am to wake up while heading into work. It is an overlooked aspect of health. Sound sleep is key, sure, you sleep after you've drank a lot, yeah, but it isn't like going to bed sober. I've already found myself ditching friends who aren't living the way I want to live. Luckily, my girlfriend is.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:08 pm to
Another reason why nutrient dense food matter (along with vitamin supplementation when needed). His lab puts out very good research.

LINK

quote:

Low micronutrient intake may accelerate the degenerative diseases of aging through allocation of scarce micronutrients by triage

Bruce N. Ames* Nutrition and Metabolism Center, Children’s Hospital of Oakland Research Institute, 5700 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Oakland, CA 94609 Contributed by Bruce N. Ames, October 6, 2006 (sent for review September 20, 2006)

Inadequate dietary intakes of vitamins and minerals are widespread, most likely due to excessive consumption of energy-rich, micro- nutrient-poor, refined food. Inadequate intakes may result in chronic metabolic disruption, including mitochondrial decay. Deficien- cies in many micronutrients cause DNA damage, such as chromosome breaks, in cultured human cells or in vivo. Some of these defi- ciencies also cause mitochondrial decay with oxidant leakage and cellular aging and are associated with late onset diseases such as cancer. I propose DNA damage and late onset disease are consequences of a triage allocation response to micronutrient scarcity. Epi- sodic shortages of micronutrients were common during evolution. Natural selection favors short-term survival at the expense of long-term health. I hypothesize that short-term survival was achieved by allocating scarce micronutrients by triage, in part through an adjustment of the binding affinity of proteins for required micronutrients. If this hypothesis is correct, micronutrient deficiencies that trigger the triage response would accelerate cancer, aging, and neural decay but would leave critical metabolic functions, such as ATP production, intact. Evidence that micronutrient malnutrition increases late onset diseases, such as cancer, is discussed. A mul- tivitamin-mineral supplement is one low-cost way to ensure intake of the Recommended Dietary Allowance of micronutrients throughout life
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
73753 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:24 pm to
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Low carb diet, does it work?


Have been on it for almost 2 years now. Lost 50 lbs on it. Kept off 40 (had a recent setback). Had a blood panel test done in Feb, and everything looks good. My wife has been doing it with me and has lost proportional weight. The diet is so easy!

Who ever says it's not healthy or sustainable is a total brosciencer.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9319 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:28 pm to
Awesome, I need to mark these sites. I'll look into it tomorrow if I find time.

Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70128 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:33 pm to
Low carb will work, but that doesn't mean you eat only tuna and chicken breast.

You need enough fat to use as your energy as well as other functions.

Or a high protein moderate carbs and fat
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:37 pm to
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Who ever says it's not healthy or sustainable is a total brosciencer


I have no idea if it's unhealthy, but I will say that these diets make it seem as though carbs are the devil. They aren't at all. They are great sources of energy. Problem is, we have been a society that packs our faces with them, then sits on the couch. Yes, that makes them bad. But you know what else will trigger your metabolism to burn fat, going for a jog. You don't have to deprive yourself of a major food group. I think people refer to the sustainability in reference to the overwhelming statistics of people who rebound back into their old ways. It's way easier to change your lifestyle with a balanced healthy diet and an active lifestyle who can yield the same results. Again, this is for most people and yes some will still get great results with the low carb diet.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17836 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:43 pm to
I tried it and it worked pretty well.

But the more I read about everything the less I think of it as a "magic" diet.

Cutting calories is the most important. Cutting out carbs is the easiest way to bring that calorie count down.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:45 pm to


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That is why I recently added weight training. Now I'm desperately trying to overeat because I want to put on muscle, but it is dang hard.


My 2cents:

Add back well sourced carbs (potato, rice) on training days. If you wanted to get technical you could use a glucometer at 1 and 2 hours post ingestion to determine your personalized glucose tolerance test (technique/protocol described in the book strong medicine by chris hardy). Even Attia has relaxed his strict keto stance (but is now wearing an implanted glucometer ). I like the metabolic flexibility approach with well timed, high quality carbs

Keep your training volume low (2 to 3 days/week) but intense/short sessions. Think multi-joint movements with progressive strength gains on a few movements (the 531 plan that lsu777 has posted is a great program for this)

LINK
There are also 531 apps that make tracking things easy

Keep overall stress down. If stressing over gains, the body will not invest in laying down more metabolically expensive tissue (muscle). Relax, dial in nutrition and sleep. When stressed/sick, take a few days away from training. Good luck.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 8:48 pm
Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
4255 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 8:45 pm to
I teach people how to do it all the time. Just be consistent with it with a couple of cheat meal a week if necessary. It's very effective for weight loss, lower blood pressure, blood sugar, and correcting lipid profiles. Lowcarb doesn't mean just eating animal products. You can eat any plant food with the exception of grains, potatoes, and most fruits and still remain very low carb.

People saying it's unhealthy. What's the alternative? Why is it unhealthy to reduce starch and sugar in your diet?
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