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re: Louisiana guts net metering for Solar which kills the industry in Louisiana

Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:06 am to
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4764 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:06 am to
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Republicans gonna Republican


Guess free markets and ending regulations is just lip service. Who woulda thunk?
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4764 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:11 am to
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Solar is more expensive than fossil, nuclear, hydro unless it is subsidized


evidence? Every thing I can find from the last 2 years says the exact opposite. Nuclear is only viable because of subsidies, hydro isn't feasible in the majority of the country, Coal is only viable because of subsidies, and O&G still gets subsidies for some reason.
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:12 am to
Can someone put this into Layman's terms?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35610 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:20 am to
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I don’t like the idea of the retailer being forced to buy their product at retail rates just because of its source.


OK but if Entergy does not want to buy back my excess at retail rates, then they should then only charge me wholesale rates for the equal amount I use from them.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34359 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:20 am to
does this new model only apply to excess energy sold back to the utility? or does it apply to the electricity generated for the house with the panels on it? if its just for the excess, that number is so minuscule I'm not sure why anyone gives a frick
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40174 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:38 am to
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It makes no business sense to pay 1:1


I would agree with this on "pay".

I think the idea was, no money was changing hands with net metering. So it wasn't really costing the utility anything. If anything, the only cost was the surplus energy purchased that it wasn't able to sell.

And yes, there is a cost there.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6803 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:41 am to
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Why should we be stuck with one electricity supplier?


Move to a deregulated state

This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 11:42 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40174 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:48 am to
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Move to a deregulated state


That's stupid answer. Why not fix the problems we have here?
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6803 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:49 am to
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That's stupid answer. Why not fix the problems we have here?


Idk if deregulation is the answer? Enron proved this a while back.

Why is every state not deregulated? I do not own solar panels so I could care less.

Goodluck lobbying LA politicians to go deregulated, or make any kind of policy change in this state for that matter
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 11:52 am
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:52 am to
How many people in this thread have solar panels on their house?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49043 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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What's different about the kilowatt I produce from the kilowatt they produce?


You don't have the ability to store, market, or sell it.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40174 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:58 am to
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Idk if deregulation is the answer? Enron proved this a while back.


Enron didn't have much to do with that issue.

It seems like it took 10-15 years for Texas to figure it out, but it seems to work great now.

If LA ever tried it, maybe they could learn from Texas and it not take as long.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:58 am to
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because the sales model was designed to prey on low income customers


Now take a look at the "lease" option that a bunch of those grifters were selling in New Orleans....
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40174 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:00 pm to
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You don't have the ability to store, market, or sell it


Entergy's not storing it either.

And they have a monopoly on marketing and selling it.
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5944 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:02 pm to

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Why should we be stuck with one electricity supplier?


You can install solar panels if you want an alternate supplier. It would reduce the electrical energy you buy from Entergy. If Entergy wants to buy some of your excess energy it's up to them how much they'll pay, if anything. They don't need your electricity.



Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:03 pm to
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OK but if Entergy does not want to buy back my excess at retail rates, then they should then only charge me wholesale rates for the equal amount I use from them.


Lol

And the utilities are the greedy ones.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40174 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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Now take a look at the "lease" option that a bunch of those grifters were selling in New Orleans....


Most of the new panel packages sold were for 25K with 20K in credits. So net cost 5K.

The leases were for 45/month for 15 years. $540 a year, $8,100 over 15 years. Those also included a maintenance package which wasn't included if you bought them. Also, when you factor in an interest rate, it's not bad at all.

The people of NOLA east have had much worse scams in their life than this one.

The ones who really got scammed were the ones who bought them. the solar company charged $25,000 to a credit card they set up for them, with 0 interest for 12 months. Then, when the state hosed with the state credits, these people were on the hook for a ton of interest, if they could not afford to pay off the card while waiting for the $12,500 from the state.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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If Entergy wants to buy some of your excess energy it's up to them how much they'll pay, if anything.


This is absolutely false in a regulated market. There needs to be an open and honest conversation about net-metering rates in the state. Buying it at avoided cost as nearly as asinine as buying it back at retail rate. Like most discussions in this country, though, neither side is willing to compromise.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3843 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
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OK but if Entergy does not want to buy back my excess at retail rates, then they should then only charge me wholesale rates for the equal amount I use from them.






So you think you should be able to dig a water well and sell it back to the utility at full retail?

Are you going to run the water pipes back to the water towers?
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6803 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 12:13 pm to
Enron Caused California Blackouts Traders Say

^I know this is an extreme example and dereg may be the way to go now, I honestly dont know enough about the details.

There has to be some kind of infrastructure/competency constraint with Louisiana that is preventing dereg?
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