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Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:48 am to USMEagles
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Do people really have a problem with someone who earned a "Ranger" tab being called an "Army Ranger?" I have never been exposed to this point of view before, and it seems wrong to me
Depends. do you call Chiropractors doctors?
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:48 am to USMEagles
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Do people really have a problem with someone who earned a "Ranger" tab being called an "Army Ranger?" I have never been exposed to this point of view before, and it seems wrong to me.
Its politics, they will turn anything into a thing.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:50 am to upgrayedd
quote:Yeah. This isn't quite the gotcha the writer thinks it is.
It's really going to blow the minds of the people at Salon when they find out that you can serve in a Ranger battalion without previously going to Ranger school
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:50 am to USMEagles
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Do people really have a problem with someone who earned a "Ranger" tab being called an "Army Ranger?
I think at worst this is just Cotton exploiting the ignorance of the public by calling himself a Ranger. Technically, he did complete the 2 month Ranger course, but he was never part of the elite, special forces Ranger regiment.
I certainly wasn't aware there was a 2 month Ranger course, and took his claim of being a Ranger as him being part of the Ranger special forces.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:51 am to northshorebamaman
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Yeah. This isn't quite the gotcha the writer thinks it is.
When it comes to military matters, I often ask myself what the good folks at Salon would think about it
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:53 am to The Spleen
Most in the Army consider people who are tabbed to be Rangers. Obviously those in regiment who are tabbed are going to say the tabbed Rangers not in regiment aren't rangers.
A lot of time units will send infantry Soldiers to ranger school and the Soldiers have no desire to serve in regiment, they just need to earn the tab for promotion/advancement/respect. I don't know anyone who I have been with in an infantry unit who looks down on tabbed rangers who weren't in regiment calling themselves rangers.
Now if he's claiming to serve in a ranger regiment and he never did, that's a different story and definitely stolen valorish.
ETA: soldiers who serve in ranger regiment and don't have a tab will definitely get looked down on/shite on by other soldiers if they call themselves rangers.
A lot of time units will send infantry Soldiers to ranger school and the Soldiers have no desire to serve in regiment, they just need to earn the tab for promotion/advancement/respect. I don't know anyone who I have been with in an infantry unit who looks down on tabbed rangers who weren't in regiment calling themselves rangers.
Now if he's claiming to serve in a ranger regiment and he never did, that's a different story and definitely stolen valorish.
ETA: soldiers who serve in ranger regiment and don't have a tab will definitely get looked down on/shite on by other soldiers if they call themselves rangers.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:53 am to The Spleen
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I certainly wasn't aware there was a 2 month Ranger course, and took his claim of being a Ranger as him being part of the Ranger special forces.
don't know all of the specifics but there seem to be multiple Ranger avenues in the Army, best friend's son is currently a Ranger and went to several Ranger "lead in" schools along the way
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:54 am to RedRifle
If he graduated from Ranger school, then by all definitions required he’s a Ranger.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:54 am to upgrayedd
Yeah. I agree with others that he was relying on the ignorance of the public to read more into it but it's a stretch to call it stolen valor.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:55 am to RedRifle
Cotton don’t know him but he has a very punchable face
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:55 am to upgrayedd
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It's really going to blow the minds of the people at Salon when they find out that you can serve in a Ranger battalion without previously going to Ranger school
Yep... lot of people misinformed or going off assumptions
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:56 am to northshorebamaman
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. I agree with others that he was relying on the ignorance of the public to read more into it but it's a stretch to call it stolen valor.
could also be that his publicists took what he told them and embellished on it
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:56 am to The Spleen
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I certainly wasn't aware there was a 2 month Ranger course
I'm far from an expert at anything military, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge that you earned that tab by going to special training at Fort Benning.
There is a non-profit Ranger Association headquartered at Fort Benning. They run a Ranger Hall of Fame, and to be eligible one "must have served in a Ranger unit in combat or be a successful graduate of the U.S. Army Ranger School."
That Awful "Wayback Machine" Thing
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:56 am to The Spleen
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I certainly wasn't aware there was a 2 month Ranger course,
Ranger School is 2 months... upon graduating you get the tab.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:57 am to OweO
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What an idiot. I know that was in 2012, but even then you couldn't just put shite out there and at some point it will not come back to haunt you
Why is he an idiot? He competed Ranger School and is a tabbed Ranger. He is also a war veteran.
Why are you such a shitty human being?
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:57 am to RedRifle
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to have "volunteered to be an Army Ranger." In reality, Cotton was never part of the 75th Ranger Regiment, the elite unit that plans and conducts joint special military operations as part of the U.S. Army Special Operations Command. Rather, Cotton attended the Ranger School, a two-month-long, small-unit tactical infantry course that literally anyone in the military is eligible attend. Soldiers who complete the course earn the right to wear the Ranger tab — a small arch that reads "Ranger" — but in the eyes of the military, that does not make them an actual Army Ranger.
Putting in an application with the 75th is "volunteering". Of course there's no guarantee they say yes. Do they have proof he put in no such application?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:00 am to RedRifle
Just for general info the top is the tab (Ranger School) and the bottom is the scroll (unit patch):
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:00 am to Travis Scott
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So basically he’s the Republican version of Richard Blumenthal
If Cotton boasted of serving in a war zone for multiple tours and then it came to light he served in the Guard for two years without ever deploying, that would be a better comparison.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:01 am to USMEagles
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I'm far from an expert at anything military, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge that you earned that tab by going to special training at Fort Benning.
To clarify, I had always assumed that anyone tabbed a Ranger was part of of the elite Ranger regiment. I also admit I am pretty ignorant on pretty much all military designations and ranks.
I would agree this isn't stolen valor, but just exploitation of general ignorance that I include myself in. Were I resident of Arkansas and had voted for Cotton based partly on this claim, I'd feel a little duped.
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