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re: Left a pot of tomato meat sauce out overnight. It's still good, right?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:54 pm to SixthAndBarone
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:54 pm to SixthAndBarone
Food poisoning comes from an overwhelming amount of bacteria. Leaving meat out for two hours, or sauce overnight, is not overwhelming.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:57 pm to auzach91
I would eat super processed shite like Taco Bell left out before a home-cooked meal 100/100 times 

Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:07 pm to SlickRick55
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Food poisoning comes from an overwhelming amount of bacteria. Leaving meat out for two hours, or sauce overnight, is not overwhelming
Leaving a meat sauce out overnight can indeed be overwhelming. The concern is the bacteria log growth. Bacteria grows exponentially.
Overnight at room temperature is absolutely enough time allow certain bacteria to grow to an unsafe amount.
Was the bacteria even there to begin with? We don't know. Likely not, but it is possible. If it wasn't there, it didn't grow. If it was there, it positively grew and very likely to an unsafe amount.
Here's how you get sick from bacteria in food:
(1) Bacteria must be there (naturally or introduced).
(2) Bacteria need the proper environment to grow to the proper amount to make you sick (overnight at room temp is the proper environment).
(3) You eat the bacteria, then it's up to your immune system. Most healthy people will be fine and may have small symptoms they write off as a stomach bug. Or, the symptoms can be worse and they can feel like crap for a while. Elderly and people with weakened immune systems will have much greater symptoms.
Now that the bacteria has grown in the food, you can just re-heat it and kill it, right? Not necessarily. Heating only kills a certain amount of bacteria. If you have a large amount present, cooking may not kill all the bacteria. Plus, there could be some spores that heat will not kill.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:18 pm to Bigfishchoupique
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I eat raw ground chuck. A pound or two a week. Raw eggs almost everyday.

Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:22 pm to Ssubba
quote:what in the inbred are you talking aboot?
tomato meat sauce
Ragu? Bolognese?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:25 pm to Ssubba
I would not think twice about eating cold out of the pot.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:49 pm to Ssubba
If it was chicken or pork I’d be concerned, but what you’re talking about I’d eat it in a heartbeat.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:01 pm to Ssubba
Does it still smell good? Yes? - eat it No? - eat it but trash the rest
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:05 pm to Ssubba
Tomato sauces are usually highly acidic which inhibits and even prohibits a LOT of bacteria growth. Is/was there a slimy film across the surface? That would be rather telling of bacterial growth. (Use a flashlight to angle the light on the surface rather than tilt the container and thus disturb the surface. Discount some shininess for any oils you used and/or fats cooked out too.).
If you're talking 12 hours or less without refrigeration you are probably safe from growth and/or toxins with a strong tomato base. Remember that diseases have an incubation period of usually days, not hours, from contact to symptoms.
If you're talking 12 hours or less without refrigeration you are probably safe from growth and/or toxins with a strong tomato base. Remember that diseases have an incubation period of usually days, not hours, from contact to symptoms.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:12 pm to Bigfishchoupique
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I eat raw ground chuck. A pound or two a week. Raw eggs almost everyday.
Never been sick. You have to toughen your system up.
Anybody here remember Remi Prudhomme? Recruited by Paul Deitzel. Played 3 years for LSU All-American in 1964 Def. Tackle. Played 8 years in the Pros 1 year with the Saints.
I worked with him for a while off shore about 1977 I was right out of high school. He was quite a character. Last I talked to him I helped load him onto a chopper out in the Gulf going to the hospital after consuming 2 lbs. of raw hamburger meat. He died some years later. Struggled with alcohol.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:14 pm to SixthAndBarone
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The concern is the bacteria log growth. Bacteria grows exponentially. Heating only kills a certain amount of bacteria.
True, but proper reheating actually has nothing to do with this.
Yes, heat will kill foodborne bacteria, and so will your stomach. However, foodborne bacteria produce and release poisons or toxins that are not destroyed.
"Food poisoning" literally means an illness specifically from one of these toxins in the food.
Otherwise, you would be able to leave something out for a week, heat or boil it, and eat it safely.
IMO Sidicous makes a good point that the acidity helps, but I wouldn't risk it.
ELI5 — It's not the bugs, it's their poop. They've already pooped, and because they were at room temperature, probably a lot. You can't separate it from the food. And heating up that poison now doesn't do anything to it. It can still make you sick.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:49 pm to Ssubba
Should be fine I’ve microwaved pizza that sat out for 18 hours on a drinking binge and didn’t get sick
But then again my BAC probably killed any bacteria
But then again my BAC probably killed any bacteria
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:01 pm to hellsu
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Consuming 2lbs. of raw hamburger meat
Probably that frozen meat in a sleeve. I don’t eat that even if it is cooked.
The ground chuck I eat comes from fresh chuck roast. It’s a whole muscle meat. Like rib eyes.
Sleeve meat is every kind of trimmings and scraps. Great risk for E.Coli 0157 and others.
I’ve been eating meat from Marcel’s Grocery raw for 20 + years.
The only other things I eat raw are eggs,oysters and kitty kats.

Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:06 pm to Moustache
I had salmonella last summer. I will do anything I can to never get it again.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:34 pm to Gusoline
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Reheat to 170°. Bacteria dies. You're good.
What if that bacteria produced a toxin? Did you kill the toxin?
Tomato sauce is not a very hospitable environment, I doubt anything grew in that time however clostridium botulinum CAN GROW In tomato sauce. It takes several weeks to create a toxin... but remember bacteria double every 15-30 minutes.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 4:34 pm to Ssubba
Heat it back up and roll with it.
Doesn’t go bad that fast enough to bother you
Doesn’t go bad that fast enough to bother you
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:06 pm to Ssubba
If you can't heat it, don't eat it. > Mayo being the case in point.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:10 pm to Ssubba
damned good question. I grew up around NOLA area watching food left out on the stove covered-sometimes not and it was eaten the next day. Seafood naaah but no one got sick from anything else left out.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:11 pm to Gusoline
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Reheat to 170°. Bacteria dies. You're good.
Taverns used to keep the pot cooking year round and add food as they got it.

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