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Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:19 am to LSUFanHouston
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This is absurd. Time to find another way.
What do you suggest? With state lottery scholarship money, my home state has seen a crazy in crease in GPA creep over the last 15 years or so. You have to use something that is standardized to compare what kids actually know, vs the grades that they may or may not be earning.
I agree that these are pretty extreme testing durations, but if they are actually getting data and doing something with it to prepare the kids for college...then it would be worth it. My issue is that they take these tests and some schools just log the numbers and move on with no follow-up action. 14 hours is a long time...it's even longer if it is 14 wasted hours.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:21 am to Teddy Ruxpin
LA has a bar exam? Thought you just needed to graduate from Southern Law School.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:22 am to LSUFanHouston
A kid at my kids school got expelled yesterday for keeping his phone on him. I didn’t know that was a thing.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:31 am to dyslexiateechur
Arkansas currently uses the ACT aspire. It's 3 days of testing but only in 30-45 minute blocks. We are going to a new test in 2 years but not sure yet how it will be.
As an educator I have a BIG problem with states placing so much value on 1 high stakes test. Flawed system for sure.
I would much rather see some shorter, interval type tests given multiple times a year (Fall, Winter, Spring) like the NWEA that we have given this year. It measures academic progress throughout the year and seems to be a much more accurate measure of where the child is academically.
Just my opinion though.... I'm sure lawmakers up on high know WAAAAAY more about how to educate a child than a career educator.
As an educator I have a BIG problem with states placing so much value on 1 high stakes test. Flawed system for sure.
I would much rather see some shorter, interval type tests given multiple times a year (Fall, Winter, Spring) like the NWEA that we have given this year. It measures academic progress throughout the year and seems to be a much more accurate measure of where the child is academically.
Just my opinion though.... I'm sure lawmakers up on high know WAAAAAY more about how to educate a child than a career educator.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:32 am to madmaxvol
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You have to use something that is standardized to compare what kids actually know
I agree, but LEAP in its current form isn’t it. The good students take it seriously and want to do well. The other 75% just click through.
They might take it a bit more seriously if testing fatigue hadn’t already set in before the actual LEAP test happens. There are multiple benchmark and practice tests that are given throughout the year. I was an excellent student, and school aged me would be tired of it, too.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:36 am to LSUFanHouston
The LEAP testing is a crime.
The testing company is a monopoly, ,ETS, does ACT,SAT,etc., and these LEAP tests.
A large portion of the student population of this state does not take them seriously so it is a waste of Taxpayer's money.
The test should be shortened to 1 hour, one math problem, one grammar question,science, and history. If a student gets one wrong they fail the school year.
The testing company is a monopoly, ,ETS, does ACT,SAT,etc., and these LEAP tests.
A large portion of the student population of this state does not take them seriously so it is a waste of Taxpayer's money.
The test should be shortened to 1 hour, one math problem, one grammar question,science, and history. If a student gets one wrong they fail the school year.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:46 am to Weekend Warrior79
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I always thought they were BS, but I recall taking some standardized tests (LEAP, Stafford, something else) that was done all day for 3-4 days of the week.
Same/similar, in Jefferson Parish in the 70s and early 1980s up until I graduated, we took the CTBS (Comprehensive Tests of Basic Skills) tests ALL DAY for about 3-4 days. Number 2 pencil, scantron forms, fill in the circle.
Those tests were easy as pie.
In my high school years they started to give us our individual scores on them afterwards; I don't remember the schools doing that in my middle school or elementary school years.
There was no test prep done by schools at that time, it was just a general judging test, same for all students.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:47 am to Pedro
quote:I loved standardized tests because we were only in school half days through testing week. It was great because we'd all head for the lake every after testing.
complete honesty I looked forward to leap week because it was better than sitting and listening to teachers all day. we usually had a ton of free time after the first half of day testing.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:52 am to OweO
Yeah LEAP testing is essentially to see where your child ranks in his grade level compared to others at the school and across the state.
Only gives the school district their “A+” rating if the scores are high enough.
Complete bullshite testing.
Only gives the school district their “A+” rating if the scores are high enough.
Complete bullshite testing.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:52 am to SantaFe
There are some LEAP requirements for graduating high school, but it doesn’t mean much for K-8 along with actually passing classes. The time for testing is absurd, especially when you consider most Districts require Benchmark testing throughout the year (usually testing students on material that hasn’t been covered yet). Also, students who fail often are required to spend more class time retaking the tests. Louisiana released scores from last year, and less than 30% of Louisiana 8th graders were proficient in Reading and Math.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:19 am to tigerinthebueche
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Testing is overdone or the Leap test and other standardized tests are overdone?
LEAP and other standardized tests.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:21 am to Pedro
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we usually had a ton of free time after the first half of day testing.
Now they spend the rest of the day trying to cram for the upcoming subjects.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:33 am to LSUFanHouston
What you are describing is basically the time it takes to take the Louisiana State Bar Exam.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:48 am to ELVIS U
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What you are describing is basically the time it takes to take the Louisiana State Bar Exam.
Which is a one-time (hopefully) exercise undertaken by adults.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 11:33 am to High C
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LEAP and other standardized tests.
you're an educator right? What would you think is a better way to evaluate the students?
I'm not picking a fight, just curious as to what we can do differently.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
Better than digging ditches for 3 months at minimum wage like I did at age 15
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
Whats the problem. They either sit there and do work, or sit there and do work taking tests. It isnt too much to ask. And I have them doing it now. It means nothing to me or us.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's good for you and them....be glad of it.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:29 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I'm not picking a fight, just curious as to what we can do differently.
First of all, it has to be meaningful to all of the students taking it to give you a true assessment of learning. Right now we just try to find ways to con the students into doing their best. They’ve long been wise to that, and it’s not effective.
Second, the state needs to stop changing the curriculum and standards every few years. It’s very frustrating to have a very good handle on what is expected of students only to have that rug consistently pulled out from under you, leaving you to basically start over. For example, the big emphasis right now is on writing. They even have to write about solving problems in math class. This is being done at the expense of learning practically any grammar, punctuation, or spelling in ELA classes.
Imo, the test can be shortened significantly. When LEAP was first introduced, we did a subject area each day in the morning for four consecutive days, and that was it. ELA on Monday, math on Tuesday, science on Wednesday, and social studies on Thursday. Now the test is multiple sessions in each subject on multiple days. It’s overkill.
I could go on, but that’s the jist.
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