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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:04 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:04 pm to WeeWee
Lest we devolve into politics and America's Putinfriends, let's stipulate that I'll write Rand's office if you google Rand and Rusal, Nordstream, Magnitsky and Russia generally. I'll get back to you on what they tell me. 
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:05 pm to WeeWee
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If I had to guess, it probably has something to do with him leaning towards isolationism and the USA, but IDK for sure. Why don't you email his office and ask?
Is he one of those libertarians or something?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:20 pm to Tigris
I am stunned at how poorly the Russians are waging this war. I am a nobody who studies history and war games and even I could see the wide open flank Russia presented Ukraine. Ukraine has masterfully focused in attriting Russias logistics and it has greatly added to the Russian problems.
Everybody, myself included, thought Russia was going to roll over Ukraine but we didn’t know just how inept Russias military actually is.
Everybody, myself included, thought Russia was going to roll over Ukraine but we didn’t know just how inept Russias military actually is.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Is this war still going on?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:52 pm to TigerFanatic99
Yep. The lines aren’t moving much and no clear advantages, so media coverage is muted. It’ll probably end up a war of attrition as Putin is drafting veterans.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:27 pm to RLDSC FAN
Dug in Ukrainians on the front line answering some questions...
Ukrainian Troops Destroy Russian Armor In Donetsk Region
RadioFreeEurope Link
Ukrainian Troops Destroy Russian Armor In Donetsk Region
RadioFreeEurope Link
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:29 pm to cypher
This needs to be pinned
We were here for the start let's keep it to the finish
Might be close
We were here for the start let's keep it to the finish
Might be close
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:27 am to Chromdome35
Maybe the Russian army doesn't suck as bad as we think. Maybe it's Putin's micromanagement.
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Vladimir Putin has become so personally involved in the Ukraine war that he is making operational and tactical decisions “at the level of a colonel or brigadier”, according to western military sources.
The Russian president is helping determine the movement of forces in the Donbas, they added, where last week the invaders suffered a bloody defeat as they tried on multiple occasions to cross a strategic river in the east of Ukraine.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:33 am to Jim Rockford
Because they were doing so well before he got personally involved in tactical moves.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:52 am to Jim Rockford
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Vladimir Putin has become so personally involved in the Ukraine war that he is making operational and tactical decisions “at the level of a colonel or brigadier”, according to western military sources.
The Russian president is helping determine the movement of forces in the Donbas, they added, where last week the invaders suffered a bloody defeat as they tried on multiple occasions to cross a strategic river in the east of Ukraine.
There was a certain German leader with a funny mustache and a similar problem back in the day, except that one actually started out as a soldier and not as a law school student.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:18 am to BRIllini07
I wonder how many war games Putin has played (Avalon Hill, SSI, etc)? Some people have a real knack for winning them. Or he could just zerg Ukraine. If you have the numbers, this works to some degree even if you don’t know wtf you are doing.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:01 am to WeeWee
This is the 1st post I disagree with from you. Rand Paul and Mitch are two peas in a pod, Rands not realized what Mitch has, Russias Oligarch's can’t do anything for him or KY for about 15 years.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:39 am to TigerDoc
quote:there was a great CBC doc on propaganda four or five years ago and it of course tracked how Russia and the West loves this kind of narrative, rags to riches, nothing to everything but the other side of the human condition is that which can be built up through the magic of television will inevitably be torn down for the next person. I actually love the Putin back story especially his rise from low level KGB shite heel crying for troops to stop East Germans from laughing at the Soviet Empire collapsing to his ruthless kiss assing of Yeltsin the drunken Misha to this charade of him being a strong man/ brilliant tactician. Russians at this point are like the character on the Waterboy in the crowd after the loss “oh nooooo we suck again!” Prosperity and a solid middle class never really took in Russia, the privatization that occurred after 91/93 was rigged a f and quickly devolved into which oligarch are you? What makes me nervous is not Putin it’s what comes after Putin. I think there’s a real chance that the elections back 9 or 10 years ago were Russias last democratic elections, I think with the Generals at each other’s throats the FSB in massive disarray the only half assed agency with pull is the GRU, and who they back is key.
21st century Estankno mixes show business and propaganda, ratings with authoritarianism, and at the center of this great show was the president himself, created from a no one, great buzz by the power of television.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 5:16 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 6:25 am to Mr Happy
This is a diagram of how Russia's stated territorial ambitions in Ukraine have changed. 
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:12 am to LeClerc
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He doesn’t care where the money goes. This is just more grandstanding by Paul like he always does. He’s full of shite. I can’t believe you don’t know that.
Those tax payer dollars will be unaccounted for, and will vanish without a trace, compliments of the UniParty money laundering apparatus that is Ukraine.
I can't believe you don't know that.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:26 am to TigerDoc
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Yep. The lines aren’t moving much
Ugh did you miss the fact that Ukraine drove Russia out of the entire Kharkiv oblast over the last two weeks? That’s a pretty significant move.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:57 am to Perfect Circle
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Those tax payer dollars will be unaccounted for, and will vanish without a trace, compliments of the UniParty money laundering apparatus that is Ukraine.
I can't believe you don't know that.
Maybe yes and maybe no.
quote:LINK
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had agreed a plan that would see a vote on the aid package on Thursday as well as an amendment from Paul that would expand the powers of the inspector general for Afghanistan to include Ukraine.
Paul objected to proceeding with the plan because he wants the current legislation altered to include his language about the inspector general rather than voting on it as an amendment.
McConnell and Schumer agreed to hold a vote on an amendment to the aid bill that expanded the powers of the IG to include Ukraine AFTER passing the bill by unanimous consent. Paul did not like the plan because it would have the senate pass the bill by unanimous consent and then vote to amend the legislation after Biden had signed it. Paul wanted the bill rewritten to include the writing of the amendment in the actual bill. He did not trust the McConnell-Schumer plan because this would not be the first time that a McConnell-Schumer plan fell apart and because the House is not required to vote on a separate amendment to a bill that has already passed both houses. However, the House would be forced to vote on a rewritten bill or a bill that has been amended before Biden could sign it.
Some might call that grandstanding but I do not. I call that using the rules of the legislative process to make sure that America's interests are protected.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:03 am to TigerDoc
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Lest we devolve into politics and America's Putinfriends, let's stipulate that I'll write Rand's office if you google Rand and Rusal, Nordstream, Magnitsky and Russia generally. I'll get back to you on what they tell me
Assuming what you say here is true, despite all that is Rand's request not reasonable to ensure the proper accountability of US taxpayer dollars? It would be one thing if he's trying to block the bill completely. But that's not what he's doing.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:16 am to WeeWee
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Some might call that grandstanding
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:17 am to TigerDoc
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Lest we devolve into politics and America's Putinfriends, let's stipulate that I'll write Rand's office if you google Rand and Rusal, Nordstream, Magnitsky and Russia generally. I'll get back to you on what they tell me.
1. You are the one who inject politics into this by trying to Rand's delay of the Ukrainian aid bigger than it is. You mentioned Rand being indirectly mentioned in the Russian news, but you do not know or at least you the back story to that comment. Last week after Rand blocked passing of the bill by unanimous consent commentators on that same Russian tv show were twisting it use as evidence that the USA was already starting to lose interest in Ukraine. The Russian commentator in the video accurately said that the aid bill was blocked not because it was defeated in a vote or the USA was losing interest in supplying Ukraine, but because one man (he did not mention or give reasons or anything like that) delayed it on procedural grounds. The female Russian host who is a true Kremlin spokesperson even admitted that he was correct and the aid bill would pass on Wednesday.
2. In your original comment you mentioned that it was interesting that Russia was paying attention to the bill. No it is not. It is common sense to pay attention to how your opponent is getting their weapons. It would be interesting if Russia was NOT monitoring the status of any legislation in any nation that dealt with providing aid to Ukraine.
3. No thanks. Rand's staff is very unorganized and not efficient. I volunteered on Rand's campaign in Iowa before the Iowa caucus back in December of 2015 and I was amazed at how unorganized his staff was. I also emailed Rand's office to express my frustration as his opposition to Trump's missile strike on Syria after Assad gassed his own people back in 2017 and I did not get a response until December 2019 and then it only said "Sorry that you disagree with me but thanks for your support and will you donate more to my reelection campaign." So I will save you the time writing the email since I know you won't get an answer for a long damn time.
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