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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:10 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:10 am to Chromdome35
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Would they have joined if we hadn't opened up the spigots as much as we have? Who knows.
It's not necessarily about opening the spigots. It's about committing to deter Russian expansionism.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:11 am to OMLandshark
Take the domestic political crap to the poli board
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#Russia: Why it is unwise to take items from the battlefield: Today, a Swedish Pansarskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the truck of a civilian car- not in UA, but in Mytishchi, Russia.
It was taken from the battlefields of E. Ukraine- perhaps as a souvenir or for sale.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:13 am to Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:17 am to Chromdome35
A lot of this has to be payback.
We’re ignoring the context of time, here.
Russia has been fricking with us for years. I have no doubt they funneled money and propaganda into our adversaries across the globe. They absolutely have spread disinformation throughout election cycles and Covid, despite what the prevailing thought process has been regarding “Russia Russia Russia!”
Even if all we’re doing is using this as an opportunity to kill Russians, it’s money well spent. frick them.
We’re ignoring the context of time, here.
Russia has been fricking with us for years. I have no doubt they funneled money and propaganda into our adversaries across the globe. They absolutely have spread disinformation throughout election cycles and Covid, despite what the prevailing thought process has been regarding “Russia Russia Russia!”
Even if all we’re doing is using this as an opportunity to kill Russians, it’s money well spent. frick them.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:20 am to OMLandshark
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When is Russia going to say enough is enough with us giving cash to Ukrainian oligarchs and contractors at Raytheon and escalate things?
So, cower and bow to Putin out of fear? Because the might of Russia seems so perilous as of late?
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I think we should stop worrying as much on what is going on in Europe and be concerned with our home front.
Do you not think this has a global impact? Very limited scope of thought to think we are not impacted by this. Waves of ramifications will present themselves in direct and indirect ways if Russia were allowed to go unchecked.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:22 am to OMLandshark
None of your mindless drivel has anything to do with Ukraine. The issues your brought up could be dealt with domestically while also supporting our allies geopolitically.
In fact, our country has had the ability to deal with both domestic and international issues simultaneously for decades now… what a concept!
In fact, our country has had the ability to deal with both domestic and international issues simultaneously for decades now… what a concept!
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:23 am to OMLandshark
Ukraine cedes Mariupol 
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:24 am to Dataisbeautiful
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Russia has been fricking with us for years. I have no doubt they funneled money and propaganda into our adversaries across the globe. They absolutely have spread disinformation throughout election cycles and Covid, despite what the prevailing thought process has been regarding “Russia Russia Russia!”
Even if all we’re doing is using this as an opportunity to kill Russians, it’s money well spent. frick them.
Agreed, they have been fricking with us via driving polarization and misinformation. (China is guilty as well)
I agree, frick them.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:26 am to The Boat
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Ukraine cedes Mariupol
You're cheering the fact a free city has been subjugated by a tyrant, with thousands of civilians killed?
How fricked in the head are you?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:28 am to Chromdome35
If there’s any doubt where the “nazi” rhetoric has come from domestically, look no further than the verbiage the Kremlin has used to justify this invasion.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:30 am to Dataisbeautiful
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This post was edited on 6/24/26 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:30 am to SwampGar
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Waves of ramifications will present themselves in direct and indirect ways if Russia were allowed to go unchecked.
Enlighten us please
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:31 am to Centinel
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Getting Finland and Sweden on board was worth it alone.
I would strongly agree with this sentiment. Powerful additions. I am not head over heels about the spending either, but the potential avoidance of future conflict by having them in NATO helps ease the pain of spending. That, crippling the sphere of Russian influence, and showing the world (China) the efficacy of our partnerships.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:31 am to Centinel
Providing an update since it was surprisingly overlooked for some reason from this detailed thread.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:31 am to OMLandshark
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When is Russia going to say enough is enough with us giving cash to Ukrainian oligarchs and contractors at Raytheon and escalate things?
You think Russia hasn't done the same thing with major American theaters of operation.
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Plus with everything going on with the food shortages, baby formula shortages, and the border crisis, I think we should stop worrying as much on what is going on in Europe and be concerned with our home front
Impossible in a globalized world.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:32 am to OMLandshark
No where did I say anything about a stolen election. If I meant that, I would have said that. You wrote three paragraphs off a misframed argument. Total waste of your time.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:33 am to OMLandshark
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and no one is interested in resolving this manner peacefully
The only person that can make the decision to resolve this peacefully, is the one who made the decision to invade a sovereign nation, seize their land, and slaughter the people.
Ukraine has said they will not stop until they recover all the land taken from them by Russia.
Do you dispute their right to do so?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:34 am to The Boat
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Providing an update since it was surprisingly overlooked for some reason from this detailed thread.
It's not the fact you reported. It's the fact you celebrated it you sick frick.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:35 am to OMLandshark
quote:And to think, I asked about your whereabouts a couple weeks ago because you seemed to be getting better about this shite...you've just gotten worse
Along with the bribery, it's stupidity like this why we're involved in this war. This is about revenge over the myth of a stolen election in 2016. Every Democrat wants Russia to pay since they're so batshit crazy they've convinced themselves that Putin installed Trump into office. Couldn't be because they picked the single worst candidate in American history that called half of America irredeemable and spat in our face and then gave the Establishment the middle finger in return. No, it's the children that are wrong.
They want Russia to pay so badly that they're actively willing to make Americans lives worse to continue this war and make innocent Russians and Ukrainians suffer. The suffering is the point, and no one is interested in resolving this manner peacefully. They've now found a war way more profitable than the one in Afghanistan and want it to go on for years.
Boris Johnson went over there a few weeks back encouraging Ukraine to continue the war so they can beat Russia, something that just isn't going to happen in the long run. Noam Chomsky, of all people, said that there's only a single statesman trying to peacefully resolve this: Donald J Trump. And keep in mind that Chomsky once said that he considered Trump to be a more dangerous politician than Hitler, so if he gives him this credit.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:35 am to OMLandshark
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They want Russia to pay so badly that they're actively willing to make Americans lives worse to continue this war and make innocent Russians and Ukrainians suffer. The suffering is the point, and no one is interested in resolving this manner peacefully.
Least of all the Russians. Imagine the audacity you have to have to say to sovereign countries that they cannot decide their own foreign policy to the degree that the mere mention of joining a defensive alliance causes saber-rattling and temper tantrums. Russia is pretending like invasion is a real possibility from the European plain. It's ridiculous on its face, but they plan around that possibility. The way to lasting peace has already been established, and Russia has chosen not to follow it. They could have, but the oligarchs wouldn't get their cut that way.
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