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Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:28 pm to Centinel
Well, let me add that I was once a ridiculous war gamer (to the point of playing mail in game turns in the 1970's) and damn good at it, and a student of history for the last decade. This war between Ukraine and Russia could not possibly be more fascinating, and unexpected.
For a really good perspective on things I'll link an Australian war gamer that must have a really strong background aside from that. Because his videos are really insightful, he's been spot on from the beginning.
Perun Ukraine Videos
For a really good perspective on things I'll link an Australian war gamer that must have a really strong background aside from that. Because his videos are really insightful, he's been spot on from the beginning.
Perun Ukraine Videos
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:41 pm to Tigris
Tigris, it sounds like we have similar interests. My bookshelves are filled with History and Military History. Wargaming interest started with a Christmas present of Avalon Hill's Panzer Leader 43 years ago.
It's really what keeps my interest in the war in Ukraine...I find that I tend to view it through that lens.
It's really what keeps my interest in the war in Ukraine...I find that I tend to view it through that lens.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:45 pm to Chromdome35
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Wargaming interest started with a Christmas present of Avalon Hill's Panzer Leader 43 years ago.
Is that Guderian's book? Or something different?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:50 pm to Centinel
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if we weren't too busy paying farmers to grow corn for ethanol.
That is a drop in the bucket to what the government is paying farmers to grow nothing.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:51 pm to Centinel
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Avalon Hill's Panzer Leader 43 years ago
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Is that Guderian's book? Or something different?
Heh, it's an ancient hex grid board game that depended on the roll of the dice, but the strategy at least as much. I was playing it in 1975.
Chromdom35 -
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I find that I tend to view it through that lens.
That's what's so weird, I moved on to nuclear war games and space tactic games. And now Panzer Leader is suddenly relevant again. The Russians are absurd in their military behavior.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:52 pm to PassingThrough
Eh, I'm trying to draw attention to the things people might actually get pissed off about. Not about things the government does to manipulate markets to line the pockets of Congress.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:53 pm to Tigris
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Heh, it's an ancient hex grid board game that depended on the roll of the dice, but the strategy at least as much. I was playing it in 1975.
Thanks for making me feel not so old, considering I wasn't born until three years after that. And I'm old.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
Senior Defense Official Holds a Background Briefing
May 16, 2022
On the howitzers, just two points of -- two sort of points here because, again, we're not on the ground, Nick, so we don't see where every tube is, and you know, what each tube is doing on any given day, but we can assess based on our conversations with the Ukrainians, and Secretary Austin talked to Minister Reznikov yesterday, but 74 of the 90 are actually we know based on what they've told us, that 74 of those howitzers, of the M777s are forward providing long range indirect fire capability, so 74 are actually in the fight.
Now, exactly where, you know, we couldn't give you GPS coordinates on every one of them. We know some of them are being used in the fight around Kharkiv and some of them are in the Donbas, but the breakdown, I just don't have that.
And the second point I'd make on this is, you know, Minister Reznikov made it very clear to Secretary Austin in the call yesterday that the howitzers are proving very effective and are having an impact, making a difference in their fight in the Donbas, so we got that anecdotally directly from the Minister of Defense.
DoD Transcript
May 16, 2022
On the howitzers, just two points of -- two sort of points here because, again, we're not on the ground, Nick, so we don't see where every tube is, and you know, what each tube is doing on any given day, but we can assess based on our conversations with the Ukrainians, and Secretary Austin talked to Minister Reznikov yesterday, but 74 of the 90 are actually we know based on what they've told us, that 74 of those howitzers, of the M777s are forward providing long range indirect fire capability, so 74 are actually in the fight.
Now, exactly where, you know, we couldn't give you GPS coordinates on every one of them. We know some of them are being used in the fight around Kharkiv and some of them are in the Donbas, but the breakdown, I just don't have that.
And the second point I'd make on this is, you know, Minister Reznikov made it very clear to Secretary Austin in the call yesterday that the howitzers are proving very effective and are having an impact, making a difference in their fight in the Donbas, so we got that anecdotally directly from the Minister of Defense.
DoD Transcript
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:53 pm to Centinel
Back in the day, Avalon Hill was the leader in producing high-quality hex-based wargames. The games consisted of cardboard markers that represented units (Scale depended on the game) and a fairly large rule book that described the game's mechanics. Several boards (Think monopoly style boards) were included that could be combined in different ways to generate the battlefield. Games could take a very long time, days and weeks. The biggest challenge I had was finding others interested in playing it. So like Tigris, I ended up playing against myself mostly.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2639/panzer-leader-game-tactical-warfare-western-front
The Panzer Leader game was focused on German Armored combat, ala Guderian. His book by the same name is excellent.
ETA: I still have that game, it sits in my bookshelf next to a few others. Modern computer-based wargaming is so much better.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2639/panzer-leader-game-tactical-warfare-western-front
The Panzer Leader game was focused on German Armored combat, ala Guderian. His book by the same name is excellent.
ETA: I still have that game, it sits in my bookshelf next to a few others. Modern computer-based wargaming is so much better.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:57 pm to Chromdome35
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His book by the same name is excellent.
Damn straight it is. Also, as I've mentioned before, all my family in WWII fought for Germany. Made for fun times in history class when WWII and "what did your family do" discussions came up.
One of the best parts about living four years in Germany was being able to go visit the house my grandmother grew up in. No longer owned by her family, but the current owners did and remembered my grandmother and her family. Even insisted I ate dinner with them that night.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:01 pm to Centinel
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One of the best parts about living four years in Germany was being able to go visit the house my grandmother grew up in. No longer owned by her family, but the current owners did and remembered my grandmother and her family. Even insisted I ate dinner with them that night.
Thats awesome. When I was backpacking across Europe we stopped in Nuremburg for a couple of days. I remember trying to find a phone I could use to call my parents to let them know I was ok. I walked into a bar fairly close to the city square, the only two people in there were the proprietor and one of his friends. I told them what I was trying to do and he offered his phone to me. That was back in the day you had to call the operator and give her the information of the phone in the states you wanted to talk to. She would put the call through then call you back to connect the call. That process could take a while. While I waited, the two guys showed me how to play some dice (maybe dominos...been too long) game. It involved drinking. By the time I got the call back to speak to my parents I was 2 sheets into the wind. I always figured those guys did it to me on purpose, but it was a fun experience and I had no hard feelings.
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:42 pm to Chromdome35
The other experience I had was sitting in a hotel bar in Stuttgart while I was spending the week at EUCOM. I thought maybe I'd see if the Bama game was on, just for shits and giggles. It was. And I soon found out why. Whole group of industrial baws out of Cullman were there for the week getting trained on some high speed German shite. Decked to the T with Bama swag.
So I watched that game, they got me completely hammered, in a bar in a high end hotel in Stuttgart Germany, with a bunch of redneck baws from Cullman, Alabama. Just south of where I grew up.
The Germans were so confused about what "Roll Tide!" meant.
So I watched that game, they got me completely hammered, in a bar in a high end hotel in Stuttgart Germany, with a bunch of redneck baws from Cullman, Alabama. Just south of where I grew up.
The Germans were so confused about what "Roll Tide!" meant.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:56 pm to Centinel
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The other experience I had was sitting in a hotel bar in Stuttgart while I was spending the week at EUCOM. I thought maybe I'd see if the Bama game...
That would be a great story if it didn't involve Alabama. You have my upvote anyway.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:56 pm to Centinel
Twitter - my apologies
“In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation.”
Russian TV is starting to broach reality.
“In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation.”
Russian TV is starting to broach reality.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:01 pm to Mr Happy
Russian failures fuelled by Vladimir Putin’s meddling:
Article from The Times
Article from The Times
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President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.
A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.
“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:28 pm to Mr Happy
Seems like he's making terrible decisions. Is that why they tried to cross exactly the same bridge twice?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
Ukraine's FM rules out potential concessions to Russia to achieve ceasefire
The Ukrainian foreign minister said Ukraine still aims to restore full territorial integrity. That would include areas of the eastern Donbas region controlled by Russian-backed forces before the invasion, as well as the Crimean Peninsula seized by Russia in 2014.
The foreign minister, in Brussels to meet EU counterparts, expressed confidence that Ukraine would eventually win the war against Russia."We want everything that belongs to us to be ours," he said.
Yahoo - Originally published by The New Voice of Ukraine
The Ukrainian foreign minister said Ukraine still aims to restore full territorial integrity. That would include areas of the eastern Donbas region controlled by Russian-backed forces before the invasion, as well as the Crimean Peninsula seized by Russia in 2014.
The foreign minister, in Brussels to meet EU counterparts, expressed confidence that Ukraine would eventually win the war against Russia."We want everything that belongs to us to be ours," he said.
Yahoo - Originally published by The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:33 pm to ned nederlander
quote:Not sure how that passed through the Kremlin
“In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation.”
Russian TV is starting to broach reality.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:36 pm to ned nederlander
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Twitter - my apologies
“In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation.”
Russian TV is starting to broach reality
That was a fairly amazing outburst of real talk. The female moderator really didn't want him to make those points.
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