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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:21 am to Palmetto98
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:21 am to Palmetto98
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Russia currently holds the most important geopolitical resource region of Ukraine, controls the south plus has the ability cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea,and has crippled the Ukrainian army so to be frank, the war is essentially over.
They’re going to lose this in further shame on the global stage. Ukraine is mobilizing and they are not. Ukraine is being supplied with western weapons that are decades ahead of Russian weapons. Russian strategy failures and stubbornness to adapt will continue to cost them too much for too little.
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The real Defeat would’ve been attempting to occupy and annex all of Ukraine, fighting an impossible to win occupation war funded by the west, and also risk NATO military intervention with a war right on its doorsteps as opposed to the Russia-Ukraine border.
They certainly suffered a similar defeat as they failed to sack Kyiv and install their puppet and then later aid the puppet in quelling the insurgency. They have abjectly failed at their original objectives based on their own actions.
Internationally Russia has outed itself as nothing more than a large NK with vast natural resources it can’t properly take advantage of because of their own corruption, with nukes that maybe work. Whether they keep eastern Ukraine or not, this costs significantly more than they gained.
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:29 am to Palmetto98
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Let’s stick to modern times shall we. Unless some crazy dictator comes to power in France or Germany again then Russia does not have worry. The fact NATO didn’t even military intervene proves my point further.
Russia is not modern, nor is their geopolitical strategy so this is irrelevant. Crazy4lsu is spot on with his geographic concerns that have always been for Russia.
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Furthermore, this Russian Defeat in a neighboring country will likely scare the west from attempting an invasion of Russia more so than ever.
This entire exercise has REMOVED a lot of fear of Russian military abilities. You’re right, none of these countries are likely to invade Russia, but they are much more likely to treat russian aggression much more directly with confidence should Russia repeat this exercise. Although I’d laugh my arse off of Poland took Kalingrad at some point during/after this And used it to resettle the Ukrainian refugees that wanted to stay after the war.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:38 am to DabosDynasty
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I just always see Turkey acting solely for themselves by playing both sides of every situation.
They have to. There's been a crisis in the Turkish security state post-Cold War, as their earlier pre-defined role was the bulwark and first-line against USSR movements into the Med made them feel that their earlier movement to 'Westernize' produced results. After 9/11 they asked the US for Patriot Missile batteries, I think in a hope to again benefit from the windfall of being the West's first-line against terrorism. The US refused because Turkey also wanted technology transfers to help build their own domestic defense industry. The Iraq War and the Turkish publics lack of support for it, and then the hood incident in Iraq caused problems for those in the military who were pro-Western, as well as their inability to ascend to the EU. From their perspective, Turkey had been an extremely loyal ally during the Cold War who would have suffered in any conflict between the US and the USSR, and that hadn't produced long-lasting results. That the Iraq War was unpopular there and that the government couldn't initially galvanize support for it meant that Turkey wasn't a staging area for the invasion, and also lost out on lots of investment opportunities from the US as a result. Their initial response to being sidelined from the West was to be pro-active in the MENA region through diplomacy and developing good relations with their neighbors. But the Syrian Civil War changed the dynamics, and Turkey found itself in an advantageous position for the first time this century, through the refugee crisis as well as through their own military intervention. So they've played their hand the same way in every geopolitical situation since then.
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I remember the tension during the Syrian civil war and their antics a few years back, I think in NYC? They were here for an official visit and acted fool, I just can’t quite remember the details. Think it was during Obama’s second term
Happened in 2017.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 7:39 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:43 am to DabosDynasty
Ouch.
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In a highly unusual move, a former Chinese ambassador to Ukraine spoke against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. His published remark was subsequently quietly scrubbed from the Chinese internet.
Gao Yusheng, a 75-year-old career diplomat, delivered a scathing indictment of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war during an internal webinar hosted by the government-affiliated China International Finance 30 Forum and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
It’s unclear whether Gao intended for his remarks to be made public. Phoenix News Media, a partially state-owned television network, published an edited transcript of his remark “with revisions from the ambassador himself.”
Painting a grim picture of Russia’s deep economic and political catastrophe in the aftermath of the war, Gao argued the country has been in a “continuous, historical process of decline” since the demise of the Soviet Union. “The so-called revitalization of Russia under Putin’s reign is based on a false premise. Russia’s decline is evident in all areas… and has had a significant negative impact on the Russian military and its combat capabilities,” he said. According to Gao, the odds are stacked so heavily against Putin that “it’s only a matter of time before Russia is fully defeated.”
Gao chastised Putin for relying on fabricated history in his bid to restore Russia’s alleged glory. He faulted the Putin regime for “considering the former Soviet Union as its exclusive sphere of influence” and “violating the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of other former Soviet states,” which resulted in “the greatest threat to peace, security, and stability in Eurasia.”
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:46 am to crazy4lsu
Uh My friend says RU has lost 1/3 of its troops since February. 150k to begin with. I cant comprehend this. 50k???? Highest total I’ve heard up to this point including Wagner Group and missing was 39k. I’m reaching out now
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:56 am to LSUCanFAN
It was 200k to begin with which would put their losses at 66k. That is MIA, WIA and MIA.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:00 am to Chromdome35
Yes, just shy of that 200k, though they've been feeding additional BTG's from elsewhere in addition to the initial force that gathered in February.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:00 am to Chromdome35
Ok he’s saying 50k KIA not including M W this can’t be right.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:02 am to Palmetto98
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Russia currently holds the most important geopolitical resource region of Ukraine, controls the south plus has the ability cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea,and has crippled the Ukrainian army so to be frank, the war is essentially over. The real Defeat would’ve been attempting to occupy and annex all of Ukraine, fighting an impossible to win occupation war funded by the west, and also risk NATO military intervention with a war right on its doorsteps as opposed to the Russia-Ukraine border.
I’m really sorry CNN & MSNBC deceived you again, so I hope you learn your lesson this time. I know your wet dream is for Russia to annex Ukraine and fight this grueling war of attrition where the romantically Ukrainians prevail with western aid to mirror the Soviet Afghanistan war. However, Russia has nothing to gain by invading the rest of Ukraine but casualties and a defeat.
China to launch trillion-dollar gas pipeline expansion, eyeing more Russian imports
By 2025, China plans to extend its massive gas pipeline grids to 163,000 kilometres, requiring capital expenditure of up to $1.9 trillion
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:08 am to DabosDynasty
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Not on topic, but a bucket list trip for me is a WWII euro trip hitting Normandy and sites in the Ardennes on my way to Berlin.
Me too. With a visit to at least one of the Concentration Camps. Timeframe is Summer 2024
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:32 am to QboveTopSecret
Is Russia headed toward being a vassal state to China?
Could be.
Could be.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:46 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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Did this page get unpinned or did I just click on something that changed the settings
It got unpinned b/c the tards over on the Poliboard threw a tantrum.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:46 am to QboveTopSecret
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China to launch trillion-dollar gas pipeline expansion, eyeing more Russian imports
By 2025, China plans to extend its massive gas pipeline grids to 163,000 kilometres,
And yet there are still reasonably intelligent people that believe driving a Tesla and eating vegan will help save the planet.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:58 am to AU86
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Is Russia headed toward being a vassal state to China?
I’d love to know how their convos went prior to Ukraine. Another concerning potential consequence of this could be this. Russia benefitted from China before, but now they absolutely have to have them. China gained significant leverage over Russia.
Be interested to know if Xi really did slow walk Putin into this situation. Even if only for information gathering for their own ambitions (Taiwan) its interesting. It’s very interesting if they directly did it for both military intel and economic leverage the puts them in almost total control of Russia for all intents and purposes. Russia is shutting Europe off from gas. Europe is shitting off Russia from everything else plus they’d move away from Russian gas anyway. Russia needs somewhere to send it, China knows this, and China needs the O&G more than anyone. Zero chance Russia could move on China militarily after this to reset the leverage.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:07 am to DabosDynasty
When I graduated from college back in 86, my best friend and I went on a backpacking tour of Europe for 2 months.
One of the highlights of the trip for me was hiking from Baueuyex, France, down to the landing beaches (about 11km). I'll never forget that walk down the same road the Allied forces came up.
One of the highlights of the trip for me was hiking from Baueuyex, France, down to the landing beaches (about 11km). I'll never forget that walk down the same road the Allied forces came up.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:27 am to Chromdome35
‘98 we went to Juno Omaha beaches while in France for World Cup. 96 we were on a trade mission to Poland and stopped for a couple days in Krakow where a bus was arranged by our hosts to go to Auschwitz, low point in human history, foreboding, harrowing lots of folks broke down in the luggage shoe rooms
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:27 am to Palmetto98
Posted by Palmetto98 on 2/27/22 at 2:52 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss. But please continue with your mindless drivel. At this point seeing you make an arse out of yourself is pure entertainment
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CNN has abandoned Kyiv, I assume it’s lost
I’m so sorry for your loss. But please continue with your mindless drivel. At this point seeing you make an arse out of yourself is pure entertainment
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:32 am to Palmetto98
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Russia currently holds the most important geopolitical resource region of Ukraine, controls the south plus has the ability cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea,and has crippled the Ukrainian army so to be frank, the war is essentially over. The real Defeat would’ve been attempting to occupy and annex all of Ukraine, fighting an impossible to win occupation war funded by the west, and also risk NATO military intervention with a war right on its doorsteps as opposed to the Russia-Ukraine border. I’m really sorry CNN & MSNBC deceived you again, so I hope you learn your lesson this time. I know your wet dream is for Russia to annex Ukraine and fight this grueling war of attrition where the romantically Ukrainians prevail with western aid to mirror the Soviet Afghanistan war. However, Russia has nothing to gain by invading the rest of Ukraine but casualties and a defeat.
A lot of truth in this post. Will be interesting to see what Russia’s next move is if they continue having success in Donbas. You’ve got to think they’re eyeing the rest of the Black Sea coastline but want to make sure they can destroy the bulk of Ukraine’s army in the East first.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:34 am to Stidham8
Ukraine as the nation as we know it is effectively finished if Russia takes Donbas and all of the Black Sea coastline.
Impossible to recover economically.
Impossible to recover economically.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:38 am to Mo Jeaux
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Is there anything you can’t do?! Wow! What do you do for a living out of curiosity? It has to be something absolutely amazing.
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Mo Jeaux
I'm in your head so much. It's quite the compliment.
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