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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:58 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 11:58 pm to
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But Paragraph 4 specifically states ".. in which nuclear weapons are used"

You may actually be correct on that. There’s an “or” in that sentence but after re-reading it I’m not certain whether the “nuclear weapons” piece applies to one half or the whole thing. I don’t think it really matters as much as the next point though:
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For the remainder of your comments, are apparently verbal only comments and understanding binding? This could lead to differing interpretations of what was said and what it meant... especially as administrations change.

Define “binding.” Very few treaties have any real teeth. Ukraine already gave up their nukes so what recourse do they have if the US tells them to kick rocks? Hell, Russia has objectively violated the text of the treaty since 2014 - did they give the nukes back?

That’s the thing about geopolitics. Your ability to negotiate these treaties effectively boils down to A) your leverage and B) the value of your word. The leverage part comes and goes. Sometimes you have the other party by the balls and the rest doesn’t matter.

The value of your word is different. Yes, it’s subject to interpretation across different administrations. That’s kind of a key point - dramatic swings in foreign policy between presidents can and do hurt our standing on the world stage because other countries begin to see us as unpredictable. On the other hand, it can be a strength when US negotiators can point to consistency across multiple administrations from different political parties.
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You rightfully mention the implications going forward but i wonder about the implications of our various sanctions, esp if imposed on other countries and entities further removed from Russia. Who would trust us or the US dollar?

This is a much more complex issue but I’ll say this: yes, we do need to be concerned with how our economic actions (read: sanctions) affect global trust in the US dollar.

This is where having a global coalition, rather than taking unilateral action, becomes quite important. Let’s use the current scenario as an example. Russia would make the argument that America’s actions (specifically restriction of Russia’s access to their USD reserves) indicate that the USD is not a trustworthy reserve currency. But if that’s the case, what reserve currency is trustworthy? Certainly not the Ruble, which has taken a huge hit because of global sanctions. Not the Yuan, which has been heavily manipulated for decades based on Chinese interests. What about other first world currencies? The Euro? The Pound? Those governments are in line with the US in sanctioning Russia.

The risk of impact to the USD would be much more concerning if we were acting unilaterally. But we aren’t.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:48 am to
It has been a while since I posted the Oryx numbers:

Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:04 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:35 am to
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Good take on the rumors of a coup brewing in Russia via the Oligarchs.
I also enjoy Zeihan's videos. In one of them he mentions Rosneft head Igor Sechin, an oligarch known within Moscow as 'Darth Vader'.

We're nowhere near a coup at this point, but once we get there, smart money is on Sechin. All oligarchs are 'breathlessly corrupt' and absolutely ruthless, however only Sechin demonstrates these qualities against other oligarchs. He doesn't play by the rules of the insiders. It was Sechin that stole Yukos after he had Khodorkovsky jailed and arranged the arrest and trial of Putin's former minister of economy, Alexei Ulyukaev.

In addition, to avoid these practices being used on himself, in 2006 he arranged the demotion of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Prosecutor General's Office, Vladimir Ustinov. Surprisingly, Ustinov was Sechin's daughter's father-in-law, which may have saved him from jail. But he lost Sechin's confidence and so he was replaced by Alexander Bastrykin, who is very close to Sechin and is now Sechin's protector as head of the Ministry of Justice. Sechin also commands the loyalty of the FSB, what's left of it.

We can go on and on (takeovers of the TNK-BP joint venture, takeovers of AvtoVAZ, KAMAZ, UAC) but the focus is on Putin's current situation. He's not in trouble yet, but of all the candidates to replace him, only Sechin has demonstrated total ruthlessness towards his own kind. His loyalty to Putin has never been questioned before, which is why Medvedev has not been prosecuted, but this is the kind of guy that is capable and absolutely cold-blooded. He will not wait until the wheels come off.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:49 am to
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100% they are the worst NATO member. They are not our ally, but remain in NATO.


Because they occupy the most important geopolitical position in the world.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:00 am to
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I’m going out on a limb and stating I’ve read more books about the old man than you have.




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REG861


Is there anything you can’t do?! Wow! What do you do for a living out of curiosity? It has to be something absolutely amazing.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:06 am to
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I think they’ve equated Russian failure to their personal and political beliefs. Which is non-sensical. American foreign military policy is agnostic of party which is a huge reason for the success. We always protect our global interests, as we should!


Imagine saying this in 2022.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:13 am to
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You’re being led by your nose, by a group of Trotskyites.


And you aren't? You are seeing what you want to believe, just like everyone else. That's the reality of the fog of war. The question that should be asked is, what does Russia gain, in a political sense, from any 'victory'? They don't gain very much, and are far more insecure in terms of their security situation than ever before. An occupation is going to be a quagmire. They've driven the last few neutral countries into a collective defensive arrangement that might have been on its last legs had it not been for their own actions and will likely change the security landscape in the region to such a degree that they themselves are not prepared for. The political arrangement after this war does not look favorable for Russia regardless of the outcome.
Posted by Palmetto98
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:49 am to
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And you aren't? You are seeing what you want to believe, just like everyone else. That's the reality of the fog of war. The question that should be asked is, what does Russia gain, in a political sense, from any 'victory'? They don't gain very much, and are far more insecure in terms of their security situation than ever before. An occupation is going to be a quagmire. They've driven the last few neutral countries into a collective defensive arrangement that might have been on its last legs had it not been for their own actions and will likely change the security landscape in the region to such a degree that they themselves are not prepared for. The political arrangement after this war does not look favorable for Russia regardless of the outcome.


Russia currently holds the most important geopolitical resource region of Ukraine, controls the south plus has the ability cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea,and has crippled the Ukrainian army so to be frank, the war is essentially over. The real Defeat would’ve been attempting to occupy and annex all of Ukraine, fighting an impossible to win occupation war funded by the west, and also risk NATO military intervention with a war right on its doorsteps as opposed to the Russia-Ukraine border.

I’m really sorry CNN & MSNBC deceived you again, so I hope you learn your lesson this time. I know your wet dream is for Russia to annex Ukraine and fight this grueling war of attrition where the romantically Ukrainians prevail with western aid to mirror the Soviet Afghanistan war. However, Russia has nothing to gain by invading the rest of Ukraine but casualties and a defeat.



This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 6:01 am
Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:10 am to
Thanks for the replies....

What about the confiscation (and possible disbursement) of assets of Russian individuals (mostly oligarchs so far I believe) and the various banning of Russian participants in international events? I don't recall the former being done so much with so much glee...
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:14 am to
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Russia currently holds the most important geopolitical resource region of Ukraine, controls the south plus has the ability cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea,and has crippled the Ukrainian army so to be frank, the war is essentially over. The real Defeat would’ve been attempting to occupy and annex all of Ukraine, fighting an impossible to win occupation war funded by the west, and also risk NATO military intervention with a war right on its doorsteps as opposed to the Russia-Ukraine border.



You realize I'm not even talking about the actual on-the-ground reality in Ukraine, right? Can you read my post again and maybe then understand exactly what I'm referring to? Because It seems like you intentionally misread the entire post. If you are having trouble, I can break it down again.

For what it is worth, only taking and keeping the Donbass region and part of the Black Sea coastline would be a failure of the geopolitical aims of the Russian elite, who are quite explicit in that they want the buffer of the Carpathian Mountains to limit entry points into European Russian from the Eastern European Plain. Now look at a map again and piece together the geopolitics I'm referring to.
Posted by Palmetto98
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:27 am to
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For what it is worth, only taking and keeping the Donbass region and part of the Black Sea coastline would be a failure of the geopolitical aims of the Russian elite, who are quite explicit in that they want the buffer of the Carpathian Mountains to limit entry points into European Russian from the Eastern European Plain. Now look at a map again and piece together the geopolitics I'm referring to.


Let’s stick to modern times shall we. Unless some crazy dictator comes to power in France or Germany again then Russia does not have worry. The fact NATO didn’t even military intervene proves my point further. Furthermore, this Russian Defeat in a neighboring country will likely scare the west from attempting an invasion of Russia more so than ever. Getting to those borders are basically impossible in today’s world, so it’s silly to even bring up this BS in the first place. Again, unless some crazy dictator comes to power in France or Germany, the current Russian borders including Ukrainian occupied territories are completely fine. If it does happen then I don’t think only Russia will be affected by that. I don’t see NATO ever taking the initiative to invade Russia whatsoever.

What other doomsday CNN/Stratfor news Bs you have for me?
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 6:34 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:33 am to
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I’m really sorry CNN & MSNBC deceived you again, so I hope you learn your lesson this time.


"Palmetto98


re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine ConflictPosted on 2/27/22 at 9:30 am


Russia will have its border secured, geopolitical gains, and the economy will go back to normal/the world will go back to being scared of trump and China and forget everything within two months."




Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:44 am to
More than you know old friend.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:51 am to
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Let’s stick to modern times shall we.


I am sticking to modern times. It isn't my fault that the Russian elite is animated by the Heartland Theory.

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Furthermore, this Russian Defeat in a neighboring country will likely scare the west from attempting an invasion of Russia more so than ever. Getting to those borders are basically impossible in today’s world, so it’s silly to even bring up this BS in the first place


Again, I'm begging you to look to some Russian sources for what they believe.

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I don’t see NATO ever taking the initiative to invade Russia whatsoever.


You might not, but this fear animates Russian security policy. In fact, it is what their entire security policy is based around.

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What other doomsday CNN/Stratfor news Bs you have for me?



Why don't we go back and have you answer about what geopolitical situation I was referring to earlier?
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:54 am to
Heart, Cents and yourself consistently come closest to what I’m hearing from my folks. IS started popping up in conversation the moment I would ask about the chances of somebody organizing, Vlad supposedly has considered this possibility and has made moves to counter. Vlad has one timetable in mind, Igor seems to be in agreement as there is Kompromat on the table.
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:55 am to
Error - please delete
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 7:09 am
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:08 am to
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IMO the most anti-Americanism that I see from a government may be France. The most anti-Americanism that I have seen from a European people may be Greece. JMO.


How so? Genuinely curious. I know we shafted them on the nuclear sub deal with Australia last year and their people, at least in popular culture, hate us. Admittedly I have not been to France so I don’t put much stock in it. Not on topic, but a bucket list trip for me is a WWII euro trip hitting Normandy and sites in the Ardennes on my way to Berlin.

I just always see Turkey acting solely for themselves by playing both sides of every situation. I remember the tension during the Syrian civil war and their antics a few years back, I think in NYC? They were here for an official visit and acted fool, I just can’t quite remember the details. Think it was during Obama’s second term.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:15 am to
Heard this morning that Erdogans after getting the sanctions lifted that were placed on Turkey after he bought Russia's missile defense systems and he also wants the weapons delay from the west lifted that has been placed on Turkey. I knew he was after something.

Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:18 am to
Victor Kovalenko, a Ukrainian journaling:
Twitter
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On May 9, the US 155 mm caliber howitzers M777 were that "magic weapon" which allowed #Ukrainians to destroy more than 70 units of Russian armor (a BTG size) on a pontoon bridge near Bilogorivka in Luhansk province. Source: a soldier interview for Ukr. Military TV.


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