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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:49 pm to GhostofJackson
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:49 pm to GhostofJackson
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I don't care about Russia or Ukraine
Your posts suggest otherwise. In fact your posts suggest you blame Ukraine for what's happening right now. Why is that?
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Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:50 pm to Centinel
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Centinel
You have the sorry situation of thinking I owe a fricking thing to you. You can sit and wait forever. Who even are you? Why should I care why you have any connection to Ukraine? Seems like perhaps you have too close a connection and can't step back and evaluate. I'm sure you'll tough talk me in another post though.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:50 pm to Mr Happy
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That number seems a bit high. Sources?
There should have been a decimal point between the 3 and 5. Edited
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:52 pm to GhostofJackson
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You have the sorry situation of thinking I owe a fricking thing to you. You can sit and wait forever. Who even are you? Why should I care why you have any connection to Ukraine? Seems like perhaps you have too close a connection and can't step back and evaluate. I'm sure you'll tough talk me in another post though.
Tell me your a manipulated bitch who can't defend his own position without tell me you're a manipulated bitch who cant defend his own position.
I've lived outside the US. Have you?
A yes or no response will suffice. Not that I'm expecting one from someone like you.
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:53 pm to Centinel
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Tell me your a manipulated bitch who can't defend his own position without tell me you're a manipulated bitch who cant defend his own position.
See, I knew you couldn't resist. Maybe I'm manipulated, but you can't even combat your own basic instincts. Sucks not being able to control yourself.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:53 pm to GhostofJackson
Have you lived outside the US? Yes or not will suffice.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:54 pm to GhostofJackson
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Ukraine who certainly could have done things differently to avoid conflict with Russia.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:56 pm to GhostofJackson
do you not agree that russia could end this war if it decided to stop its invasion and give back the crimea, donbas, and luhansk regions it has eithers stolen or attempted to steal from ukraine? do we not agree that war is terrible and that russia has a unique position in which it could quickly end this one?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:58 pm to WestCoastAg
Nah, dudes like him cheer on Putin because he's fighting against the New World Order, and if a few million Ukrainians have to die, that's just the price we pay for stuff and things.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:00 pm to WestCoastAg
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do you not agree that russia could end this war if it decided to stop its invasion and give back the crimea, donbas, and luhansk regions it has eithers stolen or attempted to steal from ukraine? do we not agree that war is terrible and that russia has a unique position in which it could quickly end this one?
Brother, all wars could end if the sides that are fighting said they would stop, right?
But no I don't think the war would end. You'd have to have the breakway factions give up as well, but why would they do that? They'd already been fighting for 8 years and now have had a lot of their enemies put on their heels.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:02 pm to GhostofJackson
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They are no threat.
I get the position about money and it being not our fight.
However, what is it worth to see essentially a lab experiment with the Russians using Russian weapons in major offensives countered by a modest amount of Western weapons used by troops minimally trained in their use? It is becoming very clear the Russians are not a threat to the Western countries in a conventional war. This is getting a firm stamp and more important than us realizing it and even more important than the rest of the world realizing it Russia deep down has to realize it too.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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WestCoastAg
And let me ask you a question now. Are you the arbitor of whether those breakway groups have legitimate claims for wanting self-governance? If those regions have enough support that they actually have survived an active campaign against Ukraine for 8 years, would you be opposed to them having their own territory?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:02 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:is russia?
. Are you the arbitor of whether those breakway groups have legitimate claims for wanting self-governance?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:05 pm to Obtuse1
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However, what is it worth to see essentially a lab experiment with the Russians using Russian weapons in major offensives countered by a modest amount of Western weapons used by troops minimally trained in their use? It is becoming very clear the Russians are not a threat to the Western countries in a conventional war. This is getting a firm stamp and more important than us realizing it and even more important than the rest of the world realizing it Russia deep down has to realize it too.
We could have sold them weapons and let it be that, but we are supplying actual intel as an active participant.
Also, Ukraine is so fricked with the amount of debt they are incurring right now to fight this war. Even if Russia stepped away, Ukraine will have their grandchildren paying the nations back whom they borrowed money from.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:05 pm to GhostofJackson
I have lived the majority of my life about 1000 miles from Ukraine and 200 miles from Russia (including right now, though this actual physical instant I am in the USA) and I can tell you the only country to root for in this battle is Ukraine.
Even if someone (not you Ghost, just answering your post since it was last in thread) is an uneducated fool who thinks isolation will work I can only guarantee with 100 percent - actually make that one MILLION percent that there is no chance, none, zero, zilch, nada, zippo, that Ukraine will the "Switzerland 2". It will EITHER be in NATO eventually or back in some kind of novoneo Russia or Warsaw Pact.
With all the wealth it has, the population and the natural resources it has, we should want it our side for two reasons. The first is to have it. The second is so that Russia does not.
Even if someone (not you Ghost, just answering your post since it was last in thread) is an uneducated fool who thinks isolation will work I can only guarantee with 100 percent - actually make that one MILLION percent that there is no chance, none, zero, zilch, nada, zippo, that Ukraine will the "Switzerland 2". It will EITHER be in NATO eventually or back in some kind of novoneo Russia or Warsaw Pact.
With all the wealth it has, the population and the natural resources it has, we should want it our side for two reasons. The first is to have it. The second is so that Russia does not.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:05 pm to GhostofJackson
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Are you the arbitor of whether those breakway groups have legitimate claims for wanting self-governance?
If California decided that they wanted to be part of Mexico, would you support that?
Because like eastern Ukraine has many ethnic Russians, California has many ethnic Mexicans.
So under your logic, does Mexico have claim to California, Nevada, New Mexica, Arizona, and Texas?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:05 pm to WestCoastAg
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is russia?
In our hypothetical Russia walks away. They are no longer involved. Do you think those breakaway factions have the right to continue the fight?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:07 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:sure. but they wont. cause they are propped up by russia and russia actively played a role in those "uprisings" and russian troops were directly involved
Do you think those breakaway factions have the right to continue the fight?
so again. seems like russia could end this war this second if they decided to and we both clearly agree that war is awful and bad
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:08 pm to GhostofJackson
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Do you think those breakaway factions have the right to continue the fight?
Again, does this apply to Mexicans in US states?
Just wanting to make sure you're consistent with ethnic majorities having a claim to sovereignty.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:09 pm to Eurocat
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With all the wealth it has, the population and the natural resources it has, we should want it our side for two reasons. The first is to have it. The second is so that Russia does not.
By all means, having friends in the international community is not something I disagree with. I think some can be economic friends, some military, etc. It doesn't have to all be the same. Ideally being on good terms with China is in our best interest too. We all know that you can't sum up some of these complex relationships in simple, tidy taglines though.
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