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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:25 pm to GhostofJackson
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:25 pm to GhostofJackson
How do you think Russia will escalate? What forces are they going to use? The only way Russia can escalate is by using chemical or nukes.
They are short of troops and do not have the manpower to escalate. Any talk of mobilization is a Russian pipe dream that won’t bear fruit for several months. That will be too late.
They are short of troops and do not have the manpower to escalate. Any talk of mobilization is a Russian pipe dream that won’t bear fruit for several months. That will be too late.
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Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:27 pm to REG861
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How do people like you function? Russia has had the same guy running the country for 20 plus years in a regime that openly poisons his political opponents. How’s that for corruption and authoritarian tendencies? I honestly don’t know how you can exist day to day with so much cognitive dissonance.
Jump to conclusions mat is out I see. I don't support Russia. I care about Russia as much I care about Ukraine, which is none. I do care about the significant money we've invested in the war, though.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:29 pm to GhostofJackson
sounds like its in everyones best interest for russia to stop its invasion. dont you agree?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:30 pm to Chromdome35
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How do you think Russia will escalate? What forces are they going to use? The only way Russia can escalate is by using chemical or nukes.
I'd be more inclined to think Putin would be willing to resort to that rather than see Russia lose a war. It's not like he's going to get sanctioned more. He's on an island already.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:31 pm to GhostofJackson
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We have a history of siding with enemies of Russia and it not working out well for us.
A helluva lot better than it has for Russia.
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What about Ukraine (and their hawkish attitude towards Russia)
Those fricking Ukrainian war hawks went and invaded Russia... oh wait.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:32 pm to GhostofJackson
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I do care about the significant money we've invested in the war, though.
How about 3.5 bil we give the Israelis every year? this is a minimal investment to bleed out a rival. Bonus: Russians are scum.
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:33 pm to GhostofJackson
The second he pops off a nuke, I believe nato will get involved. Then who knows where it will end up.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:36 pm to Chromdome35
This thread is infested with people who fancy themselves geopolitical experts who've never left their home states.
You know who you are, and the rest of us who've actually spent time outside the US also know who you are based on your stupid fricking posts on this subject.
You know who you are, and the rest of us who've actually spent time outside the US also know who you are based on your stupid fricking posts on this subject.
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:37 pm to WestCoastAg
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sounds like its in everyones best interest for russia to stop its invasion. dont you agree?
I'm not a fan of war at all. I don't even think we should be pursuing help to Ukraine. It's not our battle. If anything, this war has shown that Russia is decades behind any western power and really isn't a threat economically or militarily.
On one hand I don't think Russia should have invaded. On the other there was serious conflict between the Ukraine government and ethnic Russians with a battalion of Neo-Nazis as the poster boys of anti-Russian sentiment. It is fricked all ways. There isn't any good guys here. And before someone says Azov doesn't represent Ukraine, they meant enough for Zelensky to have a member available for a live stream to the Greek goverment (which didn't go over well).
There are few voices in between here. It's like were watching 80s USA v USSR movies and everyone wants to cheerlead against the soviets. These guys can't afford a pot to piss in. They are no threat.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:38 pm to Centinel
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people who fancy themselves geopolitical experts
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:39 pm to Lakeboy7
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How about 35 bil we give the Israelis every year?
Absolutely correct. We need it here in the US. Glad we agree.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:40 pm to GhostofJackson
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On the other there was serious conflict between the Ukraine government and ethnic Russians with a battalion of Neo-Nazis as the poster boys of anti-Russian sentiment. It is fricked all ways.
Tell me you know absolutely nothing about Ukraine without telling me you know absolutely nothing about Ukraine.
You are doing nothing but parroting Russian talking points.
Some of us have been there. Have you?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:40 pm to GhostofJackson
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. I do care about the significant money we've invested in the war, though.
That’s more than fair. I don’t want us to bankroll an endless conflict and I support a diplomatic solution if achievable, not that I trust Putin to abide by it. Just don’t insult our intelligence and tell us there’s any moral equivalence between a dictator with a personal stranglehold on his country who assassinates his opponents and whatever you seem to think Ukraine/ Zelensky has done (ban a dozen fringe parties engaged in active treason?)
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:40 pm to GhostofJackson
is that a yes or no?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:41 pm to GhostofJackson
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USA v USSR
Its a east-west deathmatch and the Russians are going to lose. Its not complicated.
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:41 pm to Chromdome35
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The second he pops off a nuke, I believe nato will get involved. Then who knows where it will end up.
I agree, but a guy with his (potential) mental state isn't someone who I would try and rationalize. I mean according to this thread he is evil, so I don't understand why people are putting a line in the sand on what he will or won't do.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:44 pm to Centinel
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Some of us have been there. Have you?
I've never been to China. Can I not have opinions about it? I'm sure you have opinions on places you've never been. This talking point works on some people, but obviously fails when you realize having been somewhere doesn't mean you are an expert. People who have lived in the US all their lives still don't know basic laws.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:46 pm to Lakeboy7
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How about 35 bil we give the Israelis every year?
That number seems a bit high. Sources?
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:46 pm to GhostofJackson
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I've never been to China. Can I not have opinions about it?
Sure. And when people who've lived and worked with the Chinese tell you your take is bullshite, you should listen.
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This talking point works on some people
The talking points from Russia have been working rather well on you based on your responses.
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People who have lived in the US all their lives still don't know basic laws.
This statement is irrelevant. But for shits and giggles, try me.
I'm saying you're an ignorant American who's opining on shite he has no experience on. Prove me wrong. I'll wait.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:48 pm to REG861
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That’s more than fair. I don’t want us to bankroll an endless conflict and I support a diplomatic solution if achievable, not that I trust Putin to abide by it. Just don’t insult our intelligence and tell us there’s any moral equivalence between a dictator with a personal stranglehold on his country who assassinates his opponents and whatever you seem to think Ukraine/ Zelensky has done (ban a dozen fringe parties engaged in active treason?)
You gotta step away from the typical talking points though. I don't care about Russia or Ukraine. What I am saying though, is that to me, some guy who pulls on your tear ducts to get 30 bill sent to him and some guy who is a dictator wanna be are worth the same, nothing. So many over the past two months are Ukraine stans but as some other poster pointed out, shouldn't even have an opinion because they've never been there (that's how it works right?). I don't care that the level of corruption isn't full blown Russia in Ukraine, but it still isn't anything that resembles what we have in our American geopolitical climate.
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