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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:41 pm to
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Is Russia trying to Curry favor with its Muslim allies who are sending troops to help them in Ukraine ( Syria & Chechens ) by insulting Israel?
Historically, nations attempt to do this primarily with India, Stephen.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:42 pm to
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This will escalate.

The Syrians are not allowed to use their modern air defense systems against Israeli aircraft. Per Russia.

The Russians have threatened to end that understanding.


That escalation won't end well for Syria.
Posted by Slippy
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:58 pm to
Russia is obsessed with being perceived as a "great power." But what does that mean? Having the most land? Having the biggest missiles?

The economy is small and anemic. Its people's standard of living is way below first world (not just Western) standards.

I think what Russia fears most is being ignored, which is precisely what Ukraine has been doing for the last few years.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:01 pm to
It's honestly sad what happened to Russia because of Putin. Ya, the oligarchs would still be an issue, and many other problems would still have to be resolved, but Russia was legit moving towards being a member of Europe as opposed to trying to maintain their "superpower" status the years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Then Putin took the reigns, and that was that.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:07 pm to
I agree. They have a grandiose national self-image that they ultimately can't back up.
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:07 pm to
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This will escalate. The Syrians are not allowed to use their modern air defense systems against Israeli aircraft. Per Russia. The Russians have threatened to end that understanding.


Considering the Russians are using 1970s era tanks I can only imagine how arse the "air defense system" they gave a random country would be
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:14 pm to
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The Syrians are not allowed to use their modern air defense systems against Israeli aircraft. Per Russia. The Russians have threatened to end that understanding.


True test for F-35 stealth incoming?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:17 pm to
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I can only imagine how arse the "air defense system" they gave a random country would be




Oh no they sell it, Iran paid top dollar for the "newest" air defense system Russia has. It doesnt work against stealth enabled aircraft.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:25 pm to
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Considering the Russians are using 1970s era tanks I can only imagine how arse the "air defense system" they gave a random country would be


Syria has the most intergraded air defense system in the world

It’s insanely congested and the SA systems are no joke

A lot depends on the operator though, which probably isn’t of the best quality from Syria or Russia
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:26 pm to
[quote]True test for F-35 stealth incoming?

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:37 pm to
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True test for F-35 stealth incoming?


I would be fascinated to see the results. We bet on stealth. The Russian put their money into electronic warfare and air defense systems.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:48 pm to
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I would be fascinated to see the results


To hear the Israelis tell it they fly all over Iran and Syria in F22s and F35s.

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The Russian put their money into electronic warfare and air defense systems.



Do they? or is it just more overhyped junk.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:56 pm to
I don't know much about them, but apparently the Ukrainians passed us our first one of these
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126752 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:56 pm to
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would be fascinated to see the results. We bet on stealth. The Russian put their money into electronic warfare and air defense systems.


Both those are dependent on comms infrastructure

Russia is dog shite at comms

If you suck at comms and logistics you will never win
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 3:58 pm to
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To hear the Israelis tell it they fly all over Iran and Syria in F22s and F35s


Israel doesn’t fly F-22’s, those were never export authorized.

Bulk of Israeli Air Force fighter planes are F-15’s and F-16’s which are being replaced by F-35’s when the airframes get old.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 4:06 pm to
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It's honestly sad what happened to Russia because of Putin. Ya, the oligarchs would still be an issue, and many other problems would still have to be resolved, but Russia was legit moving towards being a member of Europe as opposed to trying to maintain their "superpower" status the years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.


My thoughts exactly. The last 22 years should have seen further integration of Russia and the EU. Instead Russia is now destined to a decade or more of economic stagnation, cultural isolation, and a political system that has no capacity to peacefully transfer power from one regime to the next.

In the end Putin will go down as one of the true disaster’s in Russian history. It’s just incredible how much further apart Russia now is to the western world order than it was in May 2000.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 4:16 pm to
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It’s just incredible how much further apart Russia now is to the western world order than it was in May 2000


I still remember seeing the first photos of us conducting military exercises with the Russians and thinking what a time to be alive.

So much for that type of optimism, as long as Putin and his type of mindset rule.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 4:17 pm
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 4:47 pm to
Regression is the name of the game. Yeltsin pooched this all to hell. Nemtsov would have been so much better as leader, and there would have been like 6 or 7 democratically elected Presidents PMs by now.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 4:50 pm to
Ahhhh but the Czechs delivered stealth detecting radar when I was with them Tamaron was what they first called it. Bought by America and mothballed lol
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 5:01 pm to
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I still remember seeing the first photos of us conducting military exercises with the Russians and thinking what a time to be alive.



So I'm wanting to expound on this thought, and how it plays in to why we conduct training exercises not only with our NATO allies, but other nations like Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. So pardon my ramble while I try to sum up what I learned over the course of multiple Army schools where I trained with students from multiple nations, then four years of pretty much non-stop training with European allies...and why I brought up training with Russia, and what could have been.

People tend to question why we spend so much time and money on training exercises with these other nations. I mean it makes sense for NATO of course, but it goes beyond that. When you train with other nation's military forces, you come to know them as people. You come to understand their culture, what drives them, what they find important. And vice versa. You quickly realize we have far more in common than we usually think we do.

I still have friends that I've made from multiple nations that I talk to via various social media.

Why does that matter? Because your friend from Mongolia you made while in SOBC might in thirty years be the Mongolian Chief of Staff, and you a senior flag officer. That matters when tensions become strained between nations. It stops being "Chief of Staff of Mongolian Forces" and instead becomes "Arban, the dude I had a hell of a time drinking with in downtown Augusta and still catch up with time to time, who knows all about my family and I his". Think of the impact this could have had if we had kept up the mutual training we did with Russia prior to Putin taking the hardliner approach after coming to power.

Sorry for the rant, just get irritated when I see people question the value of spending the time and money conducting training with foreign nations. And consequently this is also why I'm so vested in Ukraine's fight against Russia. I met some great Ukrainians during my time participating in Rapid Trident, and I wonder if those officers I made friends with are even still alive.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 6:57 am
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