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Posted on 4/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
They don't have the ultra low frequency communication system any more?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 3:50 pm to
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They don't have the ultra low frequency communication system any more?



We used to track them by propeller noise, a good AW could listen to the propeller signature and tell you what it was.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 4:00 pm to
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We used to track them by propeller noise


Borei’s have pump jets I believe which are a little quieter. Unknown (to me) is the maintenance on their other rotating machinery and if they can keep that quiet. A squeeling bearing on a feed pump can be loud.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 4:06 pm to
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Ultra low frequency


It works but it’s ultra slow. If there’s a complicated situational message to be sent it won’t arrive. If our sub forces are literally sitting on orders that “if we transmit the letter Z on ULF, unleash hell” than ULF works fine.
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 4:45 pm to
Not sure about ULF but they got rid of the ELF the boomers used to rely on.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 4:46 pm to
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It works but it’s ultra slow. If there’s a complicated situational message to be sent it won’t arrive. If our sub forces are literally sitting on orders that “if we transmit the letter Z on ULF, unleash hell” than ULF works fine.



I was a radioman on a fast attack. Never received a real ULF or VLF. Just test messages. I can confirm what Illini says about baud rates. It was my understanding VLF/ULF messages were simply to tell us to get our asses to periscope depth and receive an urgent message via SSIXS (UHF)
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 4:49 pm to
That was always my understanding as well but outside of my domain. I was sitting in MCC waiting for the order to push the button.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 5:05 pm to
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Never received a real ULF or VLF


September 11th, 2001 we had one off the coast of Pearl.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 5:16 pm to
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I’m under the impression this last push is the last push, but he’s prepared to sacrifice 100k in KWM in order to get his land bridge to Crimea


Or maybe he decides to deliver tactical nukes via artillery or short range missile to reduce the Russian body count. I think it's more likely than all the supposition regarding strategic nukes being used.

Unfortunately that steel plant in Maryopel (sp?) could be a likely target.

I hope I am wrong.

Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 5:29 pm to
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You’d have thought old Putin “The Pooter” would have gone after Kazahkstan or Uzbekistan as his first acquisition into the New Russian Empire. They speak Russian but at least they look a bit different.


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He already has those. They're vassal states so he gets to reap the benefits without actually having to pay for their upkeep. He would have been fine with the same arrangement in Ukraine but they wouldn't go along with it.


Does he though? Kazakhstan told him to kick rocks in Ukraine just after he helped them quell rebellion, have made it clear they want to be open for business to the west, and have at least verbally separated themselves from Putin to do so.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11949 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 5:35 pm to
These photos are going around as the Moskva on the morning of April 15 (a discrepancy given ship was supposed to have sunk on the 14th). The source (OSINT technical) can't verify it, but it's a Slava class cruiser. If this is it, it made it well into the morning (was hit at about 1 AM).





This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 5:57 pm
Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
2949 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 5:36 pm to
It looks like it got cooked pretty good on the inside.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 5:38 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45918 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:11 pm to
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Even if we managed an astounding 99% interception rate we'd still be screwed...



Russian land based ICBMs carry 10 warheads which is why there are less than 200 of them. It would take roughly 30 minutes for one to reach the USA. Which means it would have to pass multiple layers of missile defense. So the USA is safe. Europe might be screwed.

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most Russian ICBMs carry multiple warheads after all.


Yes but those missiles have to reach space and begin their descent back to earth before the MERVs separate. That in why ABMs are designed to intercept the the missile before it reaches space.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17745 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:13 pm to
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Never received a real ULF or VLF September 11th, 2001 we had one off the coast of Pearl.


Frick bro. That’s heavy. I got out a year before 9/11
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11949 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:27 pm to
In other news, the Ukrainians are starting a counter-attack in the Donbas today, heading east from Kharkiv to try to cut the supply lines from Belgorod, Russia to the Russian front around Izium. The Russians are trying to advance that front to entrap the Ukrainians holding the lines in Donetsk/Lunhansk.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45918 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:40 pm to
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I would be shocked if every Russian SSBN was either in refit or sitting at the pier right now. Do you know where you found that info?



Only 1 SSBN is in dry dock. The Bryansk is undergoing its 2nd modernization and life extension which was started in 2017 and is not scheduled to be completed until 2023 at the earliest. As far as the other ones being in port goes.

Russia just completed a naval drill with its Northern fleet SSBNs 2 weeks ago and according to Reddit they returned to port.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 6:46 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45918 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:50 pm to
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The US is actually running low with 51 attack subs vs the fleet requirements of about 65 at the moment (based on needing to monitor both Russia and China, and allow for training and maintenance of our own fleet.) This stems from Clinton era budget cuts eliminating most of the Seawolf budget.



The US has 51 attack subs. The UK has 6 and the French have 6. That is plenty of subs to keep an eye on the 9 active Russian boomers.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:51 pm to
I would think a nuclear attack on eastern Ukraine would have a good chance of wafting radioactive fallout east into Russia. Not that Putin would necssarily care.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 6:52 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5857 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:08 pm to
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I would think a nuclear attack on eastern Ukraine would have a good chance of wafting radioactive fallout east into Russia. Not that Putin would necssarily care.


Unfortunately they seem to be right down his alley. From Wikipedia...

A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon[1] is a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations, mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory. Generally smaller in explosive power, they are defined in contrast to strategic nuclear weapons, which are designed mostly to be targeted at the enemy interior away from the war front against military bases, cities, towns, arms industries, and other hardened or larger-area targets to damage the enemy's ability to wage war.

Wikipedia LINK
Posted by Allyn McKeen
Key West, FL
Member since Jun 2012
4927 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:10 pm to
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I would think a nuclear attack on eastern Ukraine would have a good chance of wafting radioactive fallout east into Russia. Not that Putin would necssarily care.


Chernobyl radiation went NW into Denmark and Sweden. My family was freaking out at the time.
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