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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:35 am to
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:35 am to
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In a weird twist BJ/UK is actually quietly partnered with the eastern NATO.

I don't think this is weird considering who runs our country and the 81 million who supported him. Our country is far from the epicenter and the out of sight, out of mind deal is in play.
On another note I've been doing some FlightRadar24 viewing this morning. NATO including the US has being steadily flying C 130s into the SE part of Poland. Munitions are moving in.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:41 am to
BJ has made a very astute calculation. From what I’m hearing anyway. He’s putting a lot of distance between himself and some money men. As to your last point those aren’t the materials I was referring to. I’m talking velvet reconciliation.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:43 am to
The stuff that’s off book might not surprise you, but who’s supposedly paying for it might.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:22 am to
Finnish support for joining NATO jumps 34% in less than a year.

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60% of Finns now support joining NATO, according to a survey conducted last month — a 34-point jump from last fall, and the highest level since polling on the issue began in 1998.


Source: Axios

This is a nation that went the entire Cold War without formally picking a side despite past conflicts with Russia/USSR
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:28 am to
In normal times the US could lead the world through these "troubles". But Biden will never fill that role. So if there's a chance the current situation can escalate to something much larger leadership is needed. I'm sure Britain and Boris Johnson know the next leader has to step up and act. That's what BJ is doing. Look to see how many other countries step up in the US void. The actions may be subtle, but it's happening. Europe may have to save itself and pull the US along in doing so.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:35 am to
This is a complete reversal from the war in the former Yugoslavia, when Europe was powerless to sort out their own shite. Though I don’t buy the argument DJT would have prevented or sanctioned Russia…
Posted by TexasForever
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:38 am to
Boris just showed up in Kyiv.

Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:38 am to
Holy shite.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:40 am to
It’s not weird… the countries further west are less reliant on Russian energy… it’s easier for UK to take a harder line with Russia.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:42 am to
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Boris just showed up in Kyiv.


Of course. Biden would never do this. But Europe's arse may be on the line and BJ is going to do something about it.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:44 am to
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Boris just showed up in Kyiv.


Is Biden in Delaware this weekend?
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:46 am to
Boris in Kyiv is major.

Does anyone know how the British Prime Minister travels? One of the hurdles to getting a US President there is that it inherently means US war planes flying over Ukraine just to get Air Force 1 to Kyiv.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:50 am to
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Boris in Kyiv is major.


He is the de facto leader of the free world now right?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:54 am to
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Does anyone know how the British Prime Minister travels? One of the hurdles to getting a US President there is that it inherently means US war planes flying over Ukraine just to get Air Force 1 to Kyiv.

I suspect we are very close to NATO countries giving all the weaponry Ukraine needs. That includes the MIG 29s they've been asking for. Russia is about to go scorched earth in Ukraine and maybe BJ just can't handle that.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:56 am to
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It wasn't just US who had such approach- it was USSR/Russia who was trying to play world monopoly and failed spectacularly.



Y’all see it too, right?

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I'm amazed there are still world-police types left in America after historical lessons proving that it just doesn't work. We cannot police the world without sabotaging our own success.

Most people are opposed to any American military engagement in Ukraine. Economic sanctions and supply of weapons to Ukraine are a pretty mild form of “intervention,” historically speaking.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:21 am to
Is anyone else noticing that the initial “If the West gets more involved, it will inherently cause WWIII” chatter has slowed recently?
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:24 am to
Honest guess is because no one expects NATO to put boots on the ground at this point
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:36 am to
Fascinating NYTimes report on Russians ratting each other out (no paywall):

• No paywall: Spurred by Putin, Russians Turn on One Another Over the War

Edit: a small taste (the whole thing is worth a read for the overall picture):

• There are reports of students turning in teachers and people telling on their neighbors and even the diners at the next table.

• In a mall in western Moscow, it was the “no to war” text displayed in a computer repair store and reported by a [“grandpa”] passer-by that got the store’s owner … detained by the police.

• In St. Petersburg, a local news outlet documented the furor over suspected pro-Western sympathies at the public library; it erupted after a library official mistook the image of a Soviet scholar on a poster for that of Mark Twain.

• In the western region of Kaliningrad, the authorities sent residents text messages urging them to provide phone numbers and email addresses of “provocateurs” in connection with the “special operation” in Ukraine.

• A nationalist political party launched a website urging Russians to report “pests” in the elite.
Posted by Baw Vivant
Member since Mar 2022
223 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:41 am to
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Maybe I am biased. I had a little Ukrainian teen who was either a tourist with his parents or maybe they moved here, deface a Trump sticker on my car a while back in 2015


Thanks for sharing your story. It’s a good reminder to us all to extend grace to others since you never know what kind of struggles they’re dealing with.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:43 am to
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They were never trusted with nuclear weapons and they sold off most of their air force assets to Russia because they were too broke, corrupt, and had no means of maintaining the equipment.


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