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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:22 pm to
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:22 pm to
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:25 pm to
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A lot of confidence in Putin: 2%


Damn I didn’t realize the PT was that big, that’s wild.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:36 pm to
Note: If they’re selling oil for pennies on the dollar instead of at market value, the sanctions are “working”. If they sell it on agreement for $20/barrel they are missing out on an arseload of money vs. even the prewar open market oil price.
Posted by AuBeerStud
Michigan
Member since Feb 2013
543 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:10 pm to
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Poli board in shambles


But the poli board said Russia is winning and should soon control all of Ukraine.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3500 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:07 pm to


Kazakh Crypto Miners Cut Off From Electricity Supply Until End of January
Kazakhstan's energy problem worsened on Tuesday when a major transmission line was disconnected.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28900 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:18 am to
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4chan memes definitely make you look intelligent

The direct Russian propaganda pipeline to those sites isn’t even being disguised anymore.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36479 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:44 am to

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Kazakh Crypto Miners Cut Off From Electricity Supply Until End of January
Kazakhstan's energy problem worsened on Tuesday when a major transmission line was disconnected.




January 2023?



This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 4:53 am
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 5:31 am to
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January 2023?


This seems to happen fairly often lately where Russia does something that looks bad (and might be), but is months or years old and passed off as current.

In this case here is an article from Jan 25, 2022 where Kazakhstan lost power

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Kazakhstan crypto miners will have their energy supply cut off from Jan. 24 until the end of the month. A major transmission line has also been disconnected, worsening the energy problem in the country, which was once home to about one-fifth of the world’s bitcoin mining at the end of August 2021


A similar thing happened a few pages back about parallel imports acting like Russia had just started doing this, but they actually passed the law in 2019 and it went into effect in 2021 (or thereabouts)
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54856 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 7:22 am to
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It is the second month of war in Eastern Europe. Seemingly earnest negotiations are taking place in Turkey, but how can you trust a man who launched his war in the middle of a UN Security Council meeting? You can’t. This is the same man who denied he had intentions of invading Ukraine up to the last hour. The fact that there are negotiations taking place, however, is something worth being hopeful about amid deep pessimism. It means open dialogue… any dialogue. Both sides are far from anything with overlapping interest. And we’re just talking about a cease fire, not a peace treaty. That would in effect just freeze the conflict back to 2014. Zelensky has signaled that he would accept security guarantees in lieu of joining NATO. A security guarantee from Turkey, for example, could state that if either side broke a cease fire, Turkey would close the Straits. Or it could mean that a no fly-zone would be established by a neutral party if the cease fire collapsed. Putin, for his part, is claiming certain redeployments of the Russian Army from Kyiv is a ‘diplomatic withdrawal.’ US officials find this unconvincing, noting that these redeployments are only shifting Russian forces into the Donbas. Ahhh… the Donbas. Where all this started back in 2014.

So what about the Donbas? Besides ample coal reserves there are over 70 trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserves waiting to be tapped in the region. As time runs out for Putin and his economy, he will seek the best bargain he can by securing as much land he can. That means securing the Donbas and fleshing out the boundaries of the Lughansk and Donetsk breakaway republics. It also means securing a land bridge from the Crimea to the Donbas. Its that second desire that irritates Putin, because as long as Mariupol can hold out, he doesn’t have his land bridge to go to the bargaining table with. Putin seems to have rebuffed French President Macron’s suggestion of evacuating civilians by sea, only replying that he demands that Mariupol surrender. So the siege continues with daily, almost casual violence.

A general cease fire would be welcome, even if it solves nothing but the immediate bloodletting of soldiers and civilians alike. As long as the war continues, the problem of feeding the world becomes more problematic. With Russia and Ukraine some of the world’s largest wheat exporters, African importers will begin to feel the squeeze. This is to say nothing of the obvious crisis in energy markets. What could not be solved by a separately negotiated ceasefire is the problem of sanctions. The British PM has already stated that a ceasefire will not lift the sanctions that are crippling Russia’s economy. With the UN essentially a dead letter, it will take a Congress of Vienna moment to unscrew the world. Commercial links since severed will only atrophy with time as the war continues. Russia has just legalized “parallel imports,” a euphamism for intellectual property piracy. Russia is in the process of nationalizing hundreds of airliners leased from Western companies. These things cannot be easily undone, perhaps in some instances impossible to reverse.

To me I remain convinced that Putin has a sense of agency enough for me to call his war one of grave miscalculation, rather than one outright suggestive of nihilism and paranoia. Evidence can be seen in US reports about serious tensions with his Ministry of Defense, headed by General Sergei Shoigu, over Putin being misled about promised success and ongoing failures. If Putin truly understood the poor state of his army, then he surely would not be stupid enough to invade Poland and the Baltics. Even Belarus shows hints of civil disobedience. Lukashenko ordered a crackdown on Belarussian railway workers who have sabotaged Russian train movements through their country.

What leaves me genuinely concerned in this new phase of the war is whether Putin would prefer to lose to NATO than Ukraine. He could deem it more survivable for his regime to instigate a confrontation with NATO. Putin might find that preferable over freezing the conflict with a ceasefire, accepting a battlefield defeat at the hands of Zelensky and continuing to watch the Russian economy whither on the vine.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46575 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:19 am to
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love tObession

Especially from a poster who still thinks muh Mueller is gonna get Trump for the Russia dossier

Good for Ukraine blowing up Russians which = im a putin puppet from the low iq Team Zalinsky



Watching you and TigerDoc fight is like watching two retards, who think exactly alike, fight.

You are both batshit insane, and too stupid to realize you both believe the same extremist bullshite.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:50 am to
I believe the Steele Dossier contained Russian disinformation that got laundered into American campaign oppo research and then an American counter-intel investigation. I believe it shouldn't have been published by Buzzfeed.

What do you believe?
This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 8:52 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:04 am to
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So when will ‘Potato’ hold a Ukrainian military parade in D.C.?


When the Russians have been completely driven from Ukrainian soil.

quote:

May Day sounds about right.


Why? It’s Russia who is lead by former communists.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:04 am to
I believe you’re a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38222 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:16 am to
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What leaves me genuinely concerned in this new phase of the war is whether Putin would prefer to lose to NATO than Ukraine. He could deem it more survivable for his regime to instigate a confrontation with NATO. Putin might find that preferable over freezing the conflict with a ceasefire, accepting a battlefield defeat at the hands of Zelensky and continuing to watch the Russian economy whither on the vine.


putin doesnt want that smoke because he does not survive an attack on any nato country. he then gets backed into a corner where its die with a loss.....or die with a loss after taking millions with you by launching nukes.

personally after all is said and done and looking at the budget numbers of russia....i dont beleive they really have more than half a dozen properly working nukes.

Even if he has more, i beleive we could take out every single sub within minutes of an order being given. I believe we could take out 90% of the missle locations within minutes and i believe we could prolly shoot down 50% or so of any he launched.

but in the end, only way he survives this is if he does a peace treaty with ukraine and even then im not sure he does due to sanctions.

this all goes back to terrible US and Nato policy after the fall of the USSR. we should have laid clear goals to them on bringing them into the EU and eventually nato. Foreign policy failure starting with the end of the BUSH term, through clinton and GWB and further. by the time oboma was in office it was too late, we had already decleared them a small insigficant country because of the low GDP and treated them like they were still the USSR.

we fricked up and see the fruits of that frick up happening now.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:59 am to
LINK

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South Ossetian Leader Says Breakaway Georgian Region Seeks Vote To Join Russia
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:19 am to
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I believe we could take out every sun within minutes of an order being given


Hours maybe.

We’re also running low on fast attack submarines to be able to keep track of both China and Russia. Thanks Clinton defense budget cuts!
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:27 am to
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Russia announced today that they have backed away from the demand that gas shipments be paid for in roubles. Reuters The weakness of the Russian position in the world economy is on full display here.


They reversed again

Russia sets deadline for ruble gas payments; Germany says move amounts to ‘blackmail’

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is demanding foreign buyers pay for Russian gas in rubles from Friday or else have their supplies cut, a move European capitals rejected and which Berlin said amounted to “blackmail”.

Putin’s move, via a decree signed on Thursday, leaves Europe facing the prospect of losing more than a third of its gas supply. Germany, the most heavily reliant on Russia, has already activated an emergency plan that could lead to rationing in Europe’s biggest economy.

Energy exports are Putin’s most powerful lever as he tries to hit back against sweeping Western sanctions imposed on Russian banks, companies, businessmen and associates of the Kremlin in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Moscow calls its Ukraine action a “special military operation”.

In televised remarks, Putin said buyers of Russian gas “must open ruble accounts in Russian banks. It is from these accounts that payments will be made for gas delivered starting from tomorrow,” or April 1.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:30 am to
How dare you question Dr. Pepper's credentials!

This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:30 am to
LINK

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Russian President Vladimir Putin told Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi that conditions were not mature yet for a ceasefire in Ukraine, Draghi told a news conference on Thursday when asked about a telephone call with Putin the previous day.

Draghi also said that Putin told him that current gas contracts remained in force and that European firms will continue to pay in euros and dollars.



This was 3 hours before Putin made his decree
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