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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:09 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:09 am to Indefatigable
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The war would not be contained in Ukraine in your hypo. Russia would sweep all the way to the Baltic Sea very very easily, and they would quickly have Poland in a pincer between attacks from Belarus and Kaliningrad.
It is a very very bad idea.
Hasn't Russia committed most of their available forces into Ukraine? I know they have considerable military assets but they still have to keep some in strategic regions throughout their vast country
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:10 am to Indefatigable
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It is a very very bad idea.
Outside or watching Ukraine slowly lose this war, which of course is a viable option, it’s the best idea out there to finish the war quickly and avoid a NATO/Russia conflict IMO.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:11 am to Lakeboy7
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Correct, and that fraction is 75% of their active formations are in Ukraine, and of that 75% about 15% has degraded to "combat ineffective" status.
I’m still not sure I buy that 75% number.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:12 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Outside or watching Ukraine slowly lose this war, which of course is a viable option, it’s the best idea out there to finish the war quickly and avoid a NATO/Russia conflict IMO.
If I was Poland I would see it as being in my strategic interest. Russia treats Ukraine as a "NATO Buffer State" well the same could be said for Poland treating Ukraine as a "Russia Buffer state"
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:13 am to Vito Andolini
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Hitler got all the way to the doorstep of Moscow and still lost because he underestimated the will of the Russian people. Napoleon did the same thing a hundred years earlier.
I don't think this is an apples to apples comparison.
Russia was defending the motherland from Napoleon and Hitler, who was out to wipe them off the planet. (He would have begun gassing Slavs if it got to that point). I think the Russian conscript's will to fight would be very different when they are the invader instead of the defender, especially when most don't understand why they are fighting in the first place.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:13 am to Vito Andolini
quote:I’ve seen few if anyone making this assumption either here or in the western media.
I think we in the West are failing to understand what is really going on and assuming that simply because Russia hasn't taken Kiev in a few weeks that somehow Russia has or is going to lose.
quote:Which is why most are surprised Russia has struggled to achieve its objectives quickly.
Russia doesn't have the military capacity of the U.S. but it still has a military that is an order of magnitude better than the Ukraine.
quote:As it has been invaded by a much larger force, Ukraine has no choice but to put 100% of its resources into the fight. Russian likely has no choice but to refrain from putting 100% of its resources into the fight as it has other objectives it must devote its resources to.
Ukraine has put 100% of its resources into this fight, Russia has not.
quote:The hope for Ukraine is that Russia and Putin, thanks to the sanctions, may not have enough time. How many months can he sustain this? How does he maintain whatever territorial gains he makes militarily? If the global community maintains its current position, can Putin survive as a world leader? Can the Russian economy?
Putin doesn't have to win this month, or next month to win, he's got time.
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:14 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I’m still not sure I buy that 75% numbe
Its from the Pentagon, and in todays risk adverse officer corps I'm sure they did the math 50 times before they put that number out!!!
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:16 am to Vito Andolini
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Russia can mobilize over a million men from its reserves and get them into the Ukraine over the next several months.
Before the war, there are 45 million people in Ukraine. 8.4 Million of them are males between 18-45. Do you think 1 Million Russian troops will be enough?
This post was edited on 3/17/22 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:17 am to Lakeboy7
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Russia can mobilize over a million men from its reserves and get them into the Ukraine over the next several months.
I'm curious after seeing their "regular" army troops and their condition what level of quality do you think these "reservist" will be? if they even show up.
Also, what type of vehicles are they going to be pushing out if they do this? They already have T-62's being thrown out there right now. Maybe they will dust off some T-34's and send them with their reserves.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:17 am to Decatur
Thank you for the explanation.
Why all the fires in Kaliningrad?
Why all the fires in Kaliningrad?
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:18 am to FredBear
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Biden to Waive Sanctions
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Fred Bear
I'll go ahead and engage this one, even though it's probably a waste of time.
Iran's commercial nuclear power program has been ongoing for years, and crosses several presidencies.
World-Nuclear.Org
There are new units in the works, one of which started construction in 2019. These units are PWR units using Low Enriched Uranium (LEU) which the world quite generally does not care about in terms of potential weapons use.
These two new units are of Russian design, and the parts are sourced from Russia, Germany, and Italy. This makes sense as there is literally no cross-breeding (from an IP point of view) between US and Soviet reactor technology. Both US/Soviet technologies were developed post-WWII when all cooperation between the US and the Soviet Union anything had stopped.
LINK
SO:
1) The technology is already there, and has been operational since the Obama Presidency with design transfer taking place well before that (so we can't stop the transfer of technology now)
2) While some of the parts will be NATO based, none of them are from the US [And Germany/Italy may as well opt to not export parts to a Russian contractor at this point, not the US's call outside of NATO].
3) It's Russia's technology, not the USA's. The only American technology in the place is likely to be the Coke machine in the cafeteria.
4) There are no existing sanctions preventing Russian companies from operating outside of Russia unilaterally. And even if there were, there's no motivation for either Russia (now) or Iran (as always) not to ignore them. The enforcement (for this arrangement) would come from Germany or Italy not exporting parts.
5) The stink that has been going on about Iran's nuclear power program the past decade has surrounded Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) domestic production. Not LEU. No one in recent years cared about LEU in Iran. None of the Obama or Trump era negotiations were meant to prohibit construction of this facility.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:21 am to facher08
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Russia was defending the motherland from Napoleon and Hitler, who was out to wipe them off the planet. (He would have begun gassing Slavs if it got to that point). I think the Russian conscript's will to fight would be very different when they are the invader instead of the defender, especially when most don't understand why they are fighting in the first place.
Bingo.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:22 am to SoonerK
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Maybe they will dust off some T-34's and send them with their reserves.
Why not man, maybe there are a couple of Tigers laying around Kharkov from back in the day....
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:23 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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This pattern—with many more fires burning in Kaliningrad than in neighboring Poland, Lithuania, and Belarus—is common in the spring, usually in March through mid-May.
Maybe so. Just a very stark contrast to the surrounding areas.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:23 am to Centinel
everything is going as planned
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Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
Three independent sources report that the deputy chief of Russia's Rosgvardia (a unit of RU's interior army which has had tremendous losses in Ukraine), Gen. Roman Gavrilov has been detained by FSB. Gavrilov had also previously worked in FSO, Putin's security service.
7:51 AM · Mar 17, 2022·Twitter Web App
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:25 am to Sooner5030
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Gen. Roman Gavrilov

Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:26 am to Sooner5030
Sucks when you surround yourself with yes men and they continually assure you they're more than capable of quickly subduing Ukraine...
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:29 am to Mr Happy
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Why all the fires in Kaliningrad?
Lax burning enforcement apparently.
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:32 am to Vito Andolini
No other option but victory? He can sue for peace by requiring recognition of his two puppet states and permanently recognizing Russias right to crimea. All this could be sold to in the dark Russians as a “victory” problem is gonna be when the check shows at the end-7-10k in dead double or triple wounded and missing…Russians gonna be pissed at this misadventure
Posted on 3/17/22 at 10:33 am to facher08
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I don't think this is an apples to apples comparison.
Russia was defending the motherland from Napoleon and Hitler, who was out to wipe them off the planet. (He would have begun gassing Slavs if it got to that point). I think the Russian conscript's will to fight would be very different when they are the invader instead of the defender, especially when most don't understand why they are fighting in the first place.
You are correct, it is not the same thing, but I use those examples from history to show that two of the greatest militaries from the 19th and 20th centuries were beaten by Russia and they were beaten because they underestimated Russia. I think we are all falling into that same trap and underestimating them now.
The Russian leadership (Putin) views the Ukraine as part of Russia. He believes that the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster in his Country's history. Although Yeltsin handed him the presidency, he believes Yeltsin made a huge mistake in simply letting their Country break apart. He has spent the last 20+ years trying to correct that mistake. To Russia, the Ukraine is basically what Alsace-Lorraine was to France before WWI. They have simply not accepted the fact that millions of "their people" were taken from the Motherland.
We are still very early in this struggle.
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