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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:23 pm to
Posted by swervr
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:23 pm to
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 15
5:30 pm ET

Local company- and battalion-level attacks by Russian forces northwest of Kyiv on March 14-15 likely indicate the largest-scale offensive operations that Russian forces attempting to encircle Kyiv can support at this time. Russian forces did not conduct offensive operations northeast of the city, around Sumy, and only limited (and unsuccessful) attacks southeast of Kharkiv. Russian force generation efforts, including reservist and conscript call-ups and the ongoing transport of Syrian fighters to Russia and Belarus, are unable to change the balance of forces around Kyiv within the coming week. Russian forces have not conducted simultaneous attacks along their multiple axes of advance across Ukraine since March 4 and are unlikely to do so in the next week.[1]

Russian forces in southeastern Ukraine continue to demonstrate the greatest capabilities to date and are steadily advancing in three directions: northeast from Kherson, taking territory in Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, and reducing the Ukrainian pocket in Mariupol. Russian forces are unlikely to successfully encircle Mykolayiv and threaten Odesa in the near future but retain uncommitted Naval Infantry reserves that could conduct an amphibious operation or disembark to reinforce Russian ground operations, as Russia has employed Naval Infantry elsewhere. Russia may seek to encircle Zaporizhya by advancing northeast up the west bank of the Dnipro River after failing to break through Ukrainian forces directly south of the city on the east bank. Russian forces are making slow but steady progress against Ukrainian defenders on the line of contact in Donbas and likely seek to force them out of their prepared defensive positions.

With Russian forces likely unable to complete the encirclement of Kyiv or resume mobile offensive operations in northeastern Ukraine in the near future, the Russian capture of Mariupol will likely be the next key inflection in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russian forces have successfully encircled Mariupol and are conducting daily assaults on the western and eastern outskirts of the city. Russian air, missile, and artillery strikes continue to target residential areas and civilian infrastructure to force the city to capitulate. Russian forces have encircled the city to a depth that will likely prevent the defenders from breaking out and prevent Ukrainian efforts to relieve the defenders. Russian forces will likely be able to capture Mariupol or force it to capitulate despite strong Ukrainian defenses. The Russian capture of Mariupol will free up Russian forces, likely including large portions of the 8th Combined Arms Army, to threaten Ukrainian defenders along the line of contact in Donbas with encirclement or alternatively reinforce a Russian offensive toward Mykolayiv and Odesa. This assessment assumes that the defenders in Mariupol will run out of ammunition and/or water at some point in the relatively near future. Mariupol has been heavily fortified for years, however, and it is possible that its defenders secured sufficient supplies in advance to hold out longer. The Russians will likely continue to escalate bombardments to the point of simply destroying the city if that appears to be the case, but the reduction of Mariupol in this way could take considerably longer.

Key Takeaways

Russian forces are unlikely to launch offensive operations to encircle Kyiv larger than the scattered Russian attacks observed northwest of Kyiv targeting Irpin on March 14 and Guta-Mezhyhirska on March 15 within the coming week but may launch further tactical attacks.

Russian forces continued to assault Mariupol from the east and west.

Russian forces did not conduct major offensive operations toward northeastern Kyiv in the past 24 hours.

Russian forces attempting to encircle Kharkiv continue to face supply shortages, particularly regarding ammunition.

The Russian military falsely claimed to have captured the entirety of Kherson Oblast on March 15 but did not conduct any major operations toward either Zaporizhya or Mykolayiv.

Russia is unlikely to launch an unsupported amphibious operation against Odesa until Russian forces secure a ground line of communication to the city, but Russian Naval Infantry retain the capability to conduct a landing along the Black Sea coast.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:25 pm to
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Russian forces did not conduct offensive operations northeast of the city, around Sumy

I think the Russians are catching hell in that area right now. In all likelihood, they've lost a good bit of ground there over the past several days.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Sneak attacks should look a lot more like Pearl Harbor or 1939 Poland than this.

Those will never happen again. Not when we have satellites that can read newspapers on the ground, connected to the internet.


How can you say it will never happen again when it literally just happened again. This was a sneak attack, no?

The fact we had intelligence saying an attack was coming doesn’t make it less like December 7/8 1941, it makes it more like December 7/8, 1941. The US and Japan were heading to war well before December 8. Japan maintained diplomatic communications in bad faith in the run up to December 8 and then attacked literally everyone and everywhere.

Russia likewise engaged in diplomatic bad faith in the run up to February and then launched 5 different fronts of an invasion of Ukraine.

Or do you mean successful sneak attacks will never happen again? I’m confident someone more competent than Putin and Russian conscripts will successfully sucker punch another nation in my lifetime.
Posted by Methuselah
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:27 pm to
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it's just annoying to see the general attitude that all Russians are bloodthursty murderers and all Ukrainians are stoic Rambos.

Might have something to do with the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign country. Get of hard to get that good pub after that.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:28 pm to
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Russia may seek to encircle Zaporizhya by advancing northeast up the west bank of the Dnipro River

This would be significant because that is where the majority of Mariupol evacuees are going, at least prior to eventually leaving the country.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:28 pm to
I find that when you see the "current estimate" and it seems high there is usually an associated lower bound estimate that doesn't always make the reporting.
Posted by swervr
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:31 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

Might have something to do with the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign country. Get of hard to get that good pub after that.


Yeah, that's the blinders I'm referring to.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:33 pm to
Is there an expectation that once these border areas fall that it'll be a quick collapse or is a slog to the center more likely?
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:34 pm to
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Literally the whole reason this conflict happened lol

Is it now?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Is there an expectation that once these border areas fall that it'll be a quick collapse or is a slog to the center more likely?

I think it will hinge on what kind of shape Russian forces are in after those areas fall. Then, they also have the issue of leaving enough manpower behind to maintain control of those areas.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 5:44 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:36 pm to
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Literally the whole reason this conflict happened lol


I thought it was because Ukraine is run by Nazis
The US was manufacturing bio weapons
Ukraine was developing a nuke to attack Russia
Putin views Ukraine as Russia and wants it back

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:40 pm to
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I thought it was because Ukraine is run by Nazis
The US was manufacturing bio weapons
Ukraine was developing a nuke to attack Russia
Putin views Ukraine as Russia and wants it back




And something about a laptop that would unlock the secrets of the universe, weird.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45779 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:47 pm to
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I thought Russia was losing bigly


Russia is not losing but they are not winning either. It’s becoming a stalemate. Given the low morale among the Russian troops, inept leaders, and crashing economy is a loss for Russia. Russia believed the Ukrainians wouldn’t fight and didn’t expect the war to last longer than a week. Unlike the USA invading Iraq in ‘03, Russia cannot afford a prolonged military campaign. Right now Russia is losing the race to achieve its military objectives before the Russian economy completely collapses and Russian troops refuse to fight when they stop getting paid.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38252 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:53 pm to
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I thought it was because Ukraine is run by Nazis The US was manufacturing bio weapons Ukraine was developing a nuke to attack Russia Putin views Ukraine as Russia and wants it back


In other news the Poliboard is pro China now.

quote:

It’s sad that it might take a Russia or China to expose the corruption in our government. It would be preferable to actually have a real justice system, but those days are long gone.


quote:

Putin and Xi are nationalists as in they believe their decisions should be in the best interests of their nations, Russia or China, and themselves rather than the best interests of a ruling globalists elite of oligarchs.


Etc etc
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:58 pm to
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In other news the Poliboard is pro China now.

Turntables turning and such.
Posted by Sao
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by Sao
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:05 pm to
Well I'll be, you're right

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Posted by Tigerinthewoods ? ? on 3/15/22 at 5:55 pm to FlexDawg

I think that China and Russia are more fierce competitors rather than desperate enemies. They have systems/philosophies that are very different from ours but I am not convinced that they seek to utterly destroy us.


Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:06 pm to
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