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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:30 am to
China and Russia cut off literately anything that critiques their government actions.

We aren't doing that the way they do. You can go on Facebook and call Biden a brain dead shriveled up raisin brained doofus who eats bags of dicks all day long w/no worries. Meanwhile in China they banned pictures of Winnie the Pooh b/c people compared Pooh to XI.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:31 am to
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Meanwhile in China they banned pictures of Winnie the Pooh b/c people compared Pooh to XI.

Who do you think helps them do these things?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77577 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:31 am to
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In fact, I heard about the Reuters article of FB allowing threats against Russians and support of nazis from the lotus eaters. They're a pretty good listen.
Huge fan of their podcast.

They have great discussions on a multitude of topics.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
24067 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:32 am to
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Don't get mad because you got called out on your authoritarian bullshite

They are all fine with authoritarianism as long as they think they will be the ones making the rules.

They never realize until they are up against a wall that the fascists and communists wipe them out right after they handle the initial opposition groups.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61512 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:32 am to
You don't know what my line of thinking is many issues. You are just making it up in your head and circle jerking it into existence.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:32 am to
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Every media outlet screams war crime everytime something bad happens yet have not once tried to explain to its viewers what the definition of a war crime is.

There's no benefit to them for that.

Just like getting the general public wound up about a "No Fly Zone". Most believe you just put up a "No Planes Allowed" sign and call it a day.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139066 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:33 am to
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You don't know what my line of thinking is many issues. You are just making it up in your head and circle jerking it into existence.


You approve of authoritarianism and censorship. You've been overtly telling us over the last several pages.
Posted by Palantir
I've been a Columbia House
Member since Oct 2020
691 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:35 am to
I think we need like 4 more to join in and begin with "They believe" or "They only know" like 15 more times to REALLY drive the point home
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32843 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:37 am to
Professor Fukuyama is going there

Preparing For Defeat

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I’ll stick my neck out and make several prognostications:

1. Russia is heading for an outright defeat in Ukraine. Russian planning was incompetent, based on a flawed assumption that Ukrainians were favorable to Russia and that their military would collapse immediately following an invasion. Russian soldiers were evidently carrying dress uniforms for their victory parade in Kyiv rather than extra ammo and rations. Putin at this point has committed the bulk of his entire military to this operation—there are no vast reserves of forces he can call up to add to the battle. Russian troops are stuck outside various Ukrainian cities where they face huge supply problems and constant Ukrainian attacks.

2. The collapse of their position could be sudden and catastrophic, rather than happening slowly through a war of attrition. The army in the field will reach a point where it can neither be supplied nor withdrawn, and morale will vaporize. This is at least true in the north; the Russians are doing better in the south, but those positions would be hard to maintain if the north collapses.

3. There is no diplomatic solution to the war possible prior to this happening. There is no conceivable compromise that would be acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine given the losses they have taken at this point.

4. The United Nations Security Council has proven once again to be useless. The only helpful thing was the General Assembly vote, which helps to identify the world’s bad or prevaricating actors.

5. The Biden administration’s decisions not to declare a no-fly zone or help transfer Polish MiGs were both good ones; they've kept their heads during a very emotional time. It is much better to have the Ukrainians defeat the Russians on their own, depriving Moscow of the excuse that NATO attacked them, as well as avoiding all the obvious escalatory possibilities. The Polish MiGs in particular would not add much to Ukrainian capabilities. Much more important is a continuing supply of Javelins, Stingers, TB2s, medical supplies, comms equipment, and intel sharing. I assume that Ukrainian forces are already being vectored by NATO intelligence operating from outside Ukraine.

6. The cost that Ukraine is paying is enormous, of course. But the greatest damage is being done by rockets and artillery, which neither MiGs nor a no-fly zone can do much about. The only thing that will stop the slaughter is defeat of the Russian army on the ground.

7. Putin will not survive the defeat of his army. He gets support because he is perceived to be a strongman; what does he have to offer once he demonstrates incompetence and is stripped of his coercive power?

8. The invasion has already done huge damage to populists all over the world, who prior to the attack uniformly expressed sympathy for Putin. That includes Matteo Salvini, Jair Bolsonaro, Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orbán, and of course Donald Trump. The politics of the war has exposed their openly authoritarian leanings.

9. The war to this point has been a good lesson for China. Like Russia, China has built up seemingly high-tech military forces in the past decade, but they have no combat experience. The miserable performance of the Russian air force would likely be replicated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, which similarly has no experience managing complex air operations. We may hope that the Chinese leadership will not delude itself as to its own capabilities the way the Russians did when contemplating a future move against Taiwan.

10. Hopefully Taiwan itself will wake up as to the need to prepare to fight as the Ukrainians have done, and restore conscription. Let’s not be prematurely defeatist.

11. Turkish drones will become bestsellers.

12. A Russian defeat will make possible a “new birth of freedom,” and get us out of our funk about the declining state of global democracy. The spirit of 1989 will live on, thanks to a bunch of brave Ukrainians.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61512 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:37 am to
Where are your freakouts on Truth Social censoring anyone who says mean things about conservatives?

Again, not going to worry about disinfo being pushed by hostile foreign countries getting zapped. Sorry not sorry.

I'm done w/this conversion.

Congrats on completely derailing this thread yet again.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 11:38 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:37 am to
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Just like getting the general public wound up about a "No Fly Zone". Most believe you just put up a "No Planes Allowed" sign and call it a day.




That is so true.

I’ve got a girl I hang out with when I’m overseas that called me up to ask why we weren’t doing the No fly zone. I had to explain to her what a NFZ actually was and what it entailed. She literally thought it meant just saying “no more planes.”

“But I don’t get it GT23! The rest of the EU and the US has said no Russian planes! Why can’t we just do that with Ukraine!”

This is a woman who works for the State Department, is fluent in 3 foreign languages and has a Masters in political science from Stanford.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:39 am to
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1. Russia is heading for an outright defeat in Ukraine.

They kind of have to at this point, though it may have been their goal all along.

You can start "Demilitarization" and "Regime Change" as two of your main goals, then have the enemy say, "Nah....we're going to fight." and just stick with the original game plan.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139066 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:42 am to
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Where are your freakouts on Truth Social censoring anyone who says mean things about conservatives?


I don't know anything about truth social or what they do. If they censor people, I don't like it either. I also assume they likely don't get the same luxurious government protection status as other social media/tech platforms as well.
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Again, not going to worry about disinfo being pushed by hostile foreign countries getting zapped. Sorry not sorry.
Again, my authoritarianism good, yours bad. We know.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:43 am to
FredBear
Let's go back to the Poliboard. These cats are too dumb to not see that Ukrainians are the real Nazis. No need to try to awaken these fools their brains are too dead.

See ya on the Poliboard homie.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:44 am to
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You approve of authoritarianism and censorship


Correct

Progressivism is illiberal. Its the opposite of freedom.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37377 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:48 am to
So they couldn't even iron the folds out of that brand new flag to make it more convincing?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:50 am to
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So they couldn't even iron the folds out of that brand new flag to make it more convincing?

Shhhh....disinformation and propaganda only goes one way.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24868 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:54 am to
Well the Azov battalion are openly neo Nazis and are (one) part of the Ukrainian National Guard. So not too unbelievable that there are some Ukrainian troops that are actual Nazis
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 11:56 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75735 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:58 am to
No, it isn't unbelievable. But the reality lies somewhere between what you said and "Ukraine is a nazi country". The effort seems to be to paint Ukraine as a nazi country.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
24868 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:59 am to
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