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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:11 am to John Barron
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:11 am to John Barron
So here is Zelensky acknowledging he has no intentions of honoring a Ceasefire because he can't negotiate on territories. His Oval Office visit showed his true intentions. Hopefully Trump realizes this and just gets us totally out of Ukraine. If Ukraine and Europe want to continue the War let them go at it.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:12 am to doubleb
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And why we all knew Ukraine was never getting into NATO. You can’t take in a country technically at war already. That was never going to happen.
You had the US and Ukraine both saying they wanted it. What was Russia supposed to believe?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:22 am to John Barron
"The Kremlin views the Ukrainian Armed Forces' attacks on energy facilities in Kuban as sabotage of agreements, Dmitry Peskov said. Vladimir Putin gave orders to the Russian Defense Ministry, and the Kiev regime did nothing to cancel the attacks.
Other important statements by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation:
??Russia and the United States will agree on the exact dates of the next contacts and the composition of the negotiators on March 19 and 20;
??The presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States understand each other well, trust each other and intend to gradually move towards normalizing bilateral relations;
??It will take time and effort, supported by the will of the presidents, to restore relations;
??The presidents noted the enormous potential for implementing a number of bilateral cooperation projects in the economy;
??The topic of continuing military supplies to Kyiv was raised and will be high on the agenda of any contacts between Moscow and Washington.
?? The Kremlin sees that there is no reciprocity on the part of the Kyiv regime in observing the 30-day ceasefire on energy infrastructure;
?? The conversation between Putin and Trump did not involve a change of power in Ukraine;
?? Putin and Trump did not discuss the possibility of the EU's participation in the negotiations on Ukraine;
?? Russia sees mutual interest in dialogue on the part of Trump;
The topic of recognizing Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya was not raised yesterday in the conversation between Putin and Trump."
Other important statements by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation:
??Russia and the United States will agree on the exact dates of the next contacts and the composition of the negotiators on March 19 and 20;
??The presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States understand each other well, trust each other and intend to gradually move towards normalizing bilateral relations;
??It will take time and effort, supported by the will of the presidents, to restore relations;
??The presidents noted the enormous potential for implementing a number of bilateral cooperation projects in the economy;
??The topic of continuing military supplies to Kyiv was raised and will be high on the agenda of any contacts between Moscow and Washington.
?? The Kremlin sees that there is no reciprocity on the part of the Kyiv regime in observing the 30-day ceasefire on energy infrastructure;
?? The conversation between Putin and Trump did not involve a change of power in Ukraine;
?? Putin and Trump did not discuss the possibility of the EU's participation in the negotiations on Ukraine;
?? Russia sees mutual interest in dialogue on the part of Trump;
The topic of recognizing Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya was not raised yesterday in the conversation between Putin and Trump."
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:24 am to John Barron
Who is “the author”?
It’s Alexander J Motyl. He wrote the opinion peace. It’s not news per se.
I looked up the guy’s background and he seems to side with people that claim Trump is a Russian asset. I don’t know about that, but
perhaps you can ask around.
It’s Alexander J Motyl. He wrote the opinion peace. It’s not news per se.
I looked up the guy’s background and he seems to side with people that claim Trump is a Russian asset. I don’t know about that, but
perhaps you can ask around.
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Motyl has written favorably[15] of the claims made by Alnur Mussayev[16] and two other former KGB officers (Yuri Shvets and Sergei Zhyrnov) that Donald Trump was cultivated and recruited by the KGB in 1987 to serve as a Russian intelligence "asset" (not an active "spy").[17][18][19][20]
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:29 am to VolSquatch
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You had the US and Ukraine both saying they wanted it. What was Russia supposed to believe?
Russia tells you what they want you to know.
Russia certainly had inside information that Ukraine wasn’t getting an invite especially after events of 2014. I believe they knew, you don’t?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:43 am to doubleb
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Russia certainly had inside information that Ukraine wasn’t getting an invite especially after events of 2014. I believe they knew, you don’t?
Then why did we say it publicly? What do we gain?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:59 am to DakIsNoLB
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If Ukraine caves and hands it all over, my money is on Putin coming back within 5 years to take more.
The next trigger point is the Baltics and Poland standing between Putin and Kaliningrad.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:35 am to Coeur du Tigre
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It's becoming logically evident now. Russians paying off Donnie's bankrupt casinos and land deals in Florida over the years is not enough to justify treason on this level. It is now clear to me that the Kremlin has the Epstein files.
It's now clear to me that you are more unhinged than ever.
Are you attacking Teslas yet?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:36 am to VolSquatch
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Then why did we say it publicly? What do we gain?
That’s how politics works. It’s to gather support to gain favor. It’s to gain advantage over a rival.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:38 am to Coeur du Tigre
quote:Well, I think we found that 'testing phase'...
And it's just going to get better...
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Zelensky: "A Ukrainian domestically developed OWA drone with range of over 3,000 Kilometers has passed the testing phase and is expected to enter mass production in the coming months."
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March 19: The Yaysky Refinery, Kemerovo region, in Russia has caught fire. The refinery is more than 3,000 km from the Ukrainian border.
LINK
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:47 am to John Barron
If Russia says it I have to assume it's a lie. That goes for everything they do. If it can be verified to be true fine. I'll change my opinion on that one matter.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:09 pm to doubleb
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That’s how politics works. It’s to gather support to gain favor. It’s to gain advantage over a rival.
Who are they playing politics again? Russia, who rigs their elections?
This might be one of the most retarded things ever said in this thread and that is a BIG achievement
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:09 pm to John Barron
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Hopefully Trump realizes this and just gets us totally out of Ukraine.
I think you will get your wish. I believe we are in the we tried phase and when no fighting stops, Trump will soon say we tried and good luck to both of you.
Trump pretty clearly won’t escalate to de-escalate with Russia and Russia isn’t interested with having an intact, independent Ukraine on its boarder.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 12:11 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:07 pm to ned nederlander
Elsewhere in the general Russian sphere of influence...
Reuters (via MSN): Serbia's PM Vucevic formally resigns, triggering 30-day deadline for new government
Serbia's parliament formally accepted the resignation of the Prime Minister Milos Vucevic on Wednesday, triggering a 30-day deadline for the formation of a new government or the calling of a snap election.
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More than 100,000 protesters descended on Belgrade on Saturday for one of the largest rallies in decades. The protesters say the train disaster was a symptom of widespread corruption and mismanagement, which the government denies.
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It is unclear how (Serbian President) Vucic's allies would fare if a snap election were called. In December, the IPSOS Strategic Marketing pollster said the SNS enjoyed the support of 48.3% of the electorate, although popular sentiment against the government has surged since then.
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Yahoo! News: Serbia needs 'protecting' from repeat of Ukraine's EuroMaidan, Vucic claims
Vucic, who maintains close ties with Moscow, has frequently used Kremlin-style rhetoric to discredit protests.
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Reuters (via MSN): Serbia's PM Vucevic formally resigns, triggering 30-day deadline for new government
Serbia's parliament formally accepted the resignation of the Prime Minister Milos Vucevic on Wednesday, triggering a 30-day deadline for the formation of a new government or the calling of a snap election.
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More than 100,000 protesters descended on Belgrade on Saturday for one of the largest rallies in decades. The protesters say the train disaster was a symptom of widespread corruption and mismanagement, which the government denies.
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It is unclear how (Serbian President) Vucic's allies would fare if a snap election were called. In December, the IPSOS Strategic Marketing pollster said the SNS enjoyed the support of 48.3% of the electorate, although popular sentiment against the government has surged since then.
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Yahoo! News: Serbia needs 'protecting' from repeat of Ukraine's EuroMaidan, Vucic claims
Vucic, who maintains close ties with Moscow, has frequently used Kremlin-style rhetoric to discredit protests.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:07 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:12 pm to CitizenK
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Excellent discussion from Uncommon Knowledge
Very good sir and thanks to the link.
ETA: The interview you linked deserves its own thread and is so much more than just about politics.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:17 pm to VolSquatch
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Who are they playing politics again? Russia, who rigs their elections?
Come on man, you are smarter than that! Politics are played every day every where. At work, at clubs, at home, and at church. Everywhere, not just in elections.
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This might be one of the most retarded things ever said in this thread and that is a BIG achievement
This may be the dumbest reply you’ve made.
If you really believe “truth” is what politicians and leaders say in public is reality, I don’t know what to say.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:17 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:18 pm to John Barron
After agreement on ceasefire.
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