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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:48 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:48 am to VolSquatch
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When you realize that most of the west thought Russia would have done this within a year, a lot of actions since then that seem like scrambling (because they were) start to make more sense
I think conventional wisdom around the world believed the war would be over in a year, but when the Russians flopped and the West saw that Ukraine was repelling them quite successfully in areas; they too scrambled to help. Russia scrambled after they saw they had a way bigger fish to fry.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:48 am to John Barron
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Putin Sets Clear Terms for Peace Talks: Crimea and Four New Regions Must Be Recognized as Russian
Things I've been saying the entire time for $1000, Alex.
Crimea has always been the key. The other regions they want are a literal land bridge over to Crimea.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 7:49 am to John Barron
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I understand perfectly what's going on. You are the one that needs stuff posted 3x for you to comprehend things. Just like with the Politico article I had to post 3x before you would admit you were wrong. You either are stupid or you play dumb... Which one is it?
I play dumb
Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:11 am to ned nederlander
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The Washington Post: Trump terminates program tracking mass abductions of Ukrainian children
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The Observatory’s repository includes detailed dossiers, photos, names and other metadata related to children from Ukraine being adopted and fostered by Russia. Researchers believe the dossiers will be critical for returning the children.
Just imagine being a GOP member of Congress running for office next year and having to defend this.
It's becoming logically evident now. Russians paying off Donnie's bankrupt casinos and land deals in Florida over the years is not enough to justify treason on this level. It is now clear to me that the Kremlin has the Epstein files.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:20 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:28 am to doubleb
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I play dumb
You can't even answer a yes or no question, I don't think you're playing anything
Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:30 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Just imagine being a GOP member of Congress running for office next year and having to defend this.
You think Ukraine is far more important to US voters than it actually is.
Even when its something like this where voters SHOULD be asking questions, it will get little to no play.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:41 am to VolSquatch
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You can't even answer a yes or no question, I don't think you're playing anything
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You can't even answer a yes or no question, I don't think you're playing anything
Counselor, you couldn’t either.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:17 am to VolSquatch
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You think Ukraine is far more important to US voters than it actually is.
well, on top of him being completely certifiable and entirely uninterested in the welfare of his own country
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:37 am to VolSquatch
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You think Ukraine is far more important to US voters than it actually is. Even when its something like this where voters SHOULD be asking questions, it will get little to no play.
Sadly I agree. I do think there would be a political price for “losing” the war and allowing Russia to meaningfully gain more territory or fully consume Ukraine.
But general Russian thuggery against a neighbor . . . doesn’t really matter to the US electorate.
It’s why I think Trump’s main objective here is just to get this story out of the news cycle entirely. End it with a peace deal, and then let Russia settle unsettled business out of the media spotlight.
This conflict got zero press from 2014-2022 when it was just a somewhat hot war.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:38 am to VolSquatch
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You think Ukraine is far more important to US voters than it actually is.
There is way more to all this than Ukraine. It is all of his policy actions including tariffs.
NATO
Taiwan
Canada
Mexico
Greenland
EU
Japan
China
Russias
Panama Canal
Gaza
Iran
Syria
Israel
Did I miss anything?
Don’t get me wrong, I am not critical of all this; however, I can’t remember our foreign affairs being in such a state of flux.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:40 am to Pettifogger
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well, on top of him being completely certifiable and entirely uninterested in the welfare of his own country
Yeah, but I was also kind of speaking to several posters on here instead of just him.
I don't really reply to Cope a ton because just his profile picture tells you he is a psycho far left nut job
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:41 am to doubleb
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There is way more to all this than Ukraine. It is all of his policy actions including tariffs.
I didn't say he wouldn't get punished in the midterms. I said it won't be because of Ukraine.
Please, please. I beg of you. Read a post at least 7 times before replying. It will save us all a lot of trouble and keep the post count down.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:43 am to Pettifogger
"Extraordinary piece in THE HILL. The truth is finally coming out about the Ukraine war.
The author explains why Trump is right about Ukraine; the war was completely unnecessary; Biden and Zelensky played significant roles in provoking and escalating it; and Western media has continuously lied about it.
The author writes:
“I rarely agree with President Trump, but his latest controversial statements about Ukraine are mostly true. They only seem preposterous because western audiences have been fed a steady diet of disinformation about Ukraine for more than a decade. It is time to set the record straight on three key points that illuminate why Ukrainians and former President Joe Biden — not merely Russian President Vladimir Putin — bear significant responsibility for the outbreak and perpetuation of war in Ukraine.
“First, as recently documented by overwhelming forensic evidence, and affirmed even by a Kyiv court, it was Ukrainian right-wing militants who started the violence in 2014 that provoked Russia’s initial invasion of the country’s southeast including Crimea. …
“Second, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky contributed to a wider war by violating peace deals with Russia [known as Minsk 1 and 2] and seeking NATO military aid and membership. …
“Third, Joe Biden too contributed crucially to the escalation and perpetuation of fighting. … Biden raised false hopes in Ukraine, needlessly perpetuating a war that has killed or wounded hundreds of thousands in the last two years alone during which the frontlines have shifted by less than 1 percent of Ukraine’s territory. …
“Even more tragic, whatever peace deal emerges after the war will be worse for Ukraine than the Minsk accords that Zelensky foolishly abandoned due to his political ambitions and naïve expectation of bottomless U.S. support.”
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:43 am to ned nederlander
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But general Russian thuggery against a neighbor . . . doesn’t really matter to the US electorate.
The US electorate has been really consistent for basically its entirety in that we don't want to get involved in Europe. Even fighting the Nazis was controversial, I don't know why people even try convincing themselves that the meat of the US voting block as a whole cares that much about Putin doing something to a country that isn't even a close ally.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:45 am to VolSquatch
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Please, please. I beg of you. Read a post at least 7 times before replying. It will save us all a lot of trouble and keep the post count down.
He just told me he plays dumb so I am not going to waste time anymore Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:46 am to John Barron
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“Second, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky contributed to a wider war by violating peace deals with Russia [known as Minsk 1 and 2] and seeking NATO military aid and membership. …
“Third, Joe Biden too contributed crucially to the escalation and perpetuation of fighting. … Biden raised false hopes in Ukraine, needlessly perpetuating a war that has killed or wounded hundreds of thousands in the last two years alone during which the frontlines have shifted by less than 1 percent of Ukraine’s territory. …
“Even more tragic, whatever peace deal emerges after the war will be worse for Ukraine than the Minsk accords that Zelensky foolishly abandoned due to his political ambitions and naïve expectation of bottomless U.S. support.”
And all of this goes back to Crimea.
If Ukraine joins NATO, the international community still recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine. It is now a NATO country. What then?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:01 am to VolSquatch
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I didn't say he wouldn't get punished in the midterms
I didn’t say you did.
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I said it won't be because of Ukraine.
I agreed, and pointed out a lot of the other foreign policy issues that have to be considered especially the NATO and Russia issues which are linked to Ukraine.
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Please, please. I beg of you. Read a post at least 7 times before replying. It will save us all a lot of trouble and keep the post count down.
I understand, I know its not hard for you; however, posters like JB have a tough time because different guys work different shifts.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:07 am
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:06 am to VolSquatch
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If Ukraine joins NATO, the international community still recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine. It is now a NATO country. What then?
And why we all knew Ukraine was never getting into NATO. You can’t take in a country technically at war already. That was never going to happen.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:07 am to VolSquatch
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Things I've been saying the entire time for $1000, Alex.
Crimea has always been the key. The other regions they want are a literal land bridge over to Crimea.
That's a firm grasp of the obvious situation. That Putin wants to keep something he forcefully took in 2014 as well as the additional pro-Russian regions of Ukraine he occupied after he couldn't topple the country isn't a surprise.
If Ukraine caves and hands it all over, my money is on Putin coming back within 5 years to take more.
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