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Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:28 am to VolSquatch
[quote]I think you are ignoring the part where if we don't negotiate an end to the war, then either Russia just goes home (unlikely) or they take the rest of Ukraine. Eventually one of the two will have to happen.[/quote
Agreeing to those terms is the first step to giving Rusdia Ukraine. That’s obvious.
Agreeing to those terms is the first step to giving Rusdia Ukraine. That’s obvious.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:29 am to doubleb
As always Putin is reasonable and fair
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:29 am to texag7
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There are lunatics in this thread
Yes there are
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:31 am to cypher
BREAKING: Putin ready for ceasefire but demands 'guarantees' depriving Ukraine of aid
by Kateryna Denisova March 13, 2025 6:15 PM
Russia is ready to agree to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire in Ukraine but demands guarantees that Kyiv will not mobilize or train troops, nor receive military aid during it, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on March 13.
Speaking at a press conference with Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko, Putin said that the end of hostilities should "address the original causes of the crisis," parroting the Kremlin's long-standing narrative about its all-out war against Ukraine.
The Kyiv Independent
by Kateryna Denisova March 13, 2025 6:15 PM
Russia is ready to agree to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire in Ukraine but demands guarantees that Kyiv will not mobilize or train troops, nor receive military aid during it, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on March 13.
Speaking at a press conference with Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko, Putin said that the end of hostilities should "address the original causes of the crisis," parroting the Kremlin's long-standing narrative about its all-out war against Ukraine.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:31 am to VolSquatch
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He has the dumb colonizer map as his profile picture, hes a fricking looney bin
Cope De Tiger has been absolutely broken by Putin and now Trump. He is a bigger mess than Jeb was during the 2015 / 2016 GOP primaries
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:34 am to AU86
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I dont understand why so many are surprised or shocked or have no clue as to what the Russians want. They tell you exactly what they want if you listen to them.
I remember in February of 2022 Putin said he didn’t want war and they were withdrawing troops from the border.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:37 am to doubleb
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Agreeing to those terms is the first step to giving Rusdia Ukraine. That’s obvious.
Its obvious that you believe that, at least
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:38 am to VolSquatch
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He typed as Putin is literally accepting the proposal for ceasefire now
I’m glad we both were wrong.
You thought it was a mesninhless offer and I thought like you ghd Russiiznx would not accept.
ETA: It appears Russia countered. He didn’t accept, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:39 am to SirWinston
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Cope De Tiger has been absolutely broken by Putin and now Trump. He is a bigger mess than Jeb was during the 2015 / 2016 GOP primaries
Him and Lee B are the types that sit in bushes with a tasco taped to their sks.
Lunatics
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:44 am to doubleb
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You thought it was a mesninhless offer
I said if you offer conditions you know someone won't accept that it is meaningless. I didn't know the conditions of the offer, so no I did not think the offer was meaningless.
You were wrong though, yes.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:45 am to VolSquatch
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I said if you offer conditions you know someone won't accept that it is meaningless. I didn't know the conditions of the offer, so no I did not think the offer was meaningless.
You have to be an attorney. Touche’
Oh, and now iit looks like you were wrong, Putin did not accept counselor, he countered.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:54 am to cypher
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..."address the original causes of the crisis,"...
Putin's reasons have been malleable so it would be difficult for me to keep a straight face while listening to him explain this...
I truth I would ask Putin to put in writing what the "causes" are before any discussions happened ... and hold him to the list for starters...
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:54 am to doubleb
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Oh, and now iit looks like you were wrong, Putin did not accept counselor, he countered.
Nope, still right. Just a delay on being right.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:17 pm to klrstix
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I would ask Putin to put in writing what the "causes" are before any discussions happened
#1 NATO
It's not like there are videos are anything going back a long time on this one.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:19 pm to DMAN1968
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#1 NATO
If Z and NATO agreed to no Ukraine in NATO would that end the war?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:25 pm to cypher
quote:Not an acceptance of the ceasefire but a counter offer with wildly unrealistic demands. As expected. And he wants to talk to Trump. Not via telephone conversation, but face to face, a far more problematic method, adding more delays in an attempt to isolate Kyiv.
BREAKING: Putin ready for ceasefire but demands 'guarantees' depriving Ukraine of aid
Trump needs to step on this fast. If he wants to be the Man, he can't allow either party to dictate anything. Accept the terms with no discussion. Or else.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:44 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Ukraine has proposed a ceasefire without conditions. Russia will almost certainly reject this and try to dictate to Witkoff that the US help Russia achieve colonial control of Ukraine, something that Russia could never achieve on its own.
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Then we see if there is any actual US policy to get Russia to do what Ukraine has done, to accept a ceasefire, or if the US is an ally of Russian imperialism and this whole process has just been a cover story for American submission to Russian wishes.
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If Witkoff comes back from Russia endorsing Russian demands regarding Ukrainian sovereignty we have our answer.
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Russia has no more right to dictate anything that happens inside Ukraine than Ukraine has to dictate what happens inside Russia. And the "root causes" of this war are all inside Russia, as the Russians are reminding us.
LINK
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:48 pm to doubleb
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Yes there are
Didn’t you say you’d be ok with nukes being used against Russia?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:54 pm to DMAN1968
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#1 NATO
This point is such a red herring to me... Its not like Putin doesn't have influence within the NATO circle (looking at you Hungary and Turkey) that would negate any application into NATO...
and putting it in writing is about getting Putin officially on record for these issues... not random media misinformation talking points that is clouding the air...
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