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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:25 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:25 pm to Pettifogger
Different statements.
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:27 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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It’s amazing how stupid some people are
I mean, I think universally, we'd all love to see a no fly zone over Ukraine. However, I'm not willing to risk total war between Russia and NATO over it.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:29 pm to Lonnie Utah
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I mean, I think universally, we'd all love to see a no fly zone over Ukraine. However, I'm not willing to risk total war between Russia and NATO over it.
It’s not a risk; it’s a guarantee.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:31 pm to LegendInMyMind
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offer it said was open to Russian pilots wanting to switch sides.
Well, that’s one way of having your family killed.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:41 pm to OMLandshark
The Russian military is in such crap shape if they tried to shoot their nukes they would fall harmlessly into their own towns or into the oceans.
Billions that were supposed to spent on defense went to buy yachts for defense officials.
And the nuke things can never be really tested unlike a ship which can go sail around or an army where you march the troops.
Did you read about how the mission to kill Zelensky failed>
Remember the centralized Russian decision making method. It went something like this:
1. Russian embassy in London observed the link, and saw that Zelensky was in his official office. They lmmediately notified the Russian foreign ministry and FSB HQ.
2. Both Moscow locations analyzed this information to see if it warranted being forwarded. Both forwarded to Putin's office.
3. Putin's assistant analyzed it and determined that Putin needed to know.
4. Putin saw it and immediately forwarded it to his top generals.
5. Their top generals reviewed it and forwarded it to the general newly in charge of the invasion.
6. This new general reviewed it and forwarded it to the commander near Kyiv.
7. This commander reviewed it and forwarded it to the kill teams sent to kill Zelensky.
And by the time that a kill team go to the Ukraine Presidential building, Zelensky had finished the tele-conference and left ONE DAY earlier.
THIS is what Russian centralized leadership looks like.
The secure telephone line from the top general to the kill team doesn't work. That's where it ended. The top general would not lower himself to call a kill team directly. This is what their 'chain of command' is for.
Billions that were supposed to spent on defense went to buy yachts for defense officials.
And the nuke things can never be really tested unlike a ship which can go sail around or an army where you march the troops.
Did you read about how the mission to kill Zelensky failed>
Remember the centralized Russian decision making method. It went something like this:
1. Russian embassy in London observed the link, and saw that Zelensky was in his official office. They lmmediately notified the Russian foreign ministry and FSB HQ.
2. Both Moscow locations analyzed this information to see if it warranted being forwarded. Both forwarded to Putin's office.
3. Putin's assistant analyzed it and determined that Putin needed to know.
4. Putin saw it and immediately forwarded it to his top generals.
5. Their top generals reviewed it and forwarded it to the general newly in charge of the invasion.
6. This new general reviewed it and forwarded it to the commander near Kyiv.
7. This commander reviewed it and forwarded it to the kill teams sent to kill Zelensky.
And by the time that a kill team go to the Ukraine Presidential building, Zelensky had finished the tele-conference and left ONE DAY earlier.
THIS is what Russian centralized leadership looks like.
The secure telephone line from the top general to the kill team doesn't work. That's where it ended. The top general would not lower himself to call a kill team directly. This is what their 'chain of command' is for.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:45 pm to Proximo
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Poland is sending the used fleet to the US who will apparently provide them to Ukraine.
Why can't Poland just send them to Ukraine and we replace them for Poland? Why in the world would the US be the ones to give them to Ukraine?
Sounds like a great way to escalate tensions even more. Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Even if that's what everyone agreed on, why announce it to the world?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:45 pm to Eurocat
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THIS is what Russian centralized leadership looks like.
The secure telephone line from the top general to the kill team doesn't work.
And that isn't old technology. They introduced it last year.
The likely cause of that particular problem? Russia took out 3G and 4G towers in certain areas of Ukraine. That system needs those towers to work on the Ukrainian end.
That is at least what Bellingcat has stated. They've been on the Russian comms issues since the jump.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:46 pm to IAmNERD
Yeah I’m not understanding this deal at all and why the hell the US would take it. How is this beneficial?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:48 pm to Wabbit7
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Yeah I’m not understanding this deal at all and why the hell the US would take it. How is this beneficial?
Is this just because Poland doesn't want to be seen directly giving jets to Ukraine? As if a middle man really matters in this scenario?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:50 pm to LSUBoo
Exactly. Are they just hiding behind the US to do it? I want no part of this exchange if I’m the US.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:53 pm to Wabbit7
Poland, Germany, and US would all have to agree. That way it can't be spun as one rogue NATO nation acting solo. If only all of NATO could pay the replacement costs that would show more solidarity and burden sharing.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:57 pm to IAmNERD
frick
Per Dubai news
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The White House: Imposing a limited no-fly zone over Ukraine to protect civilians is an escalatory step
Per Dubai news
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:57 pm to Proximo
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Warsaw asked the White House if the Biden administration could guarantee it would provide them with U.S.-made fighter jets to fill the gap. The White House said it would look into the matter. The Biden administration didn’t oppose the Polish government giving Kyiv the MiGs, which could potentially escalate tensions between NATO and Moscow.
I’d love to know the thought process behind this. Why do we have to be the middle man? I realize we’re still subject to NATO and article 5 either way, but if Poland just does it directly at least we say that’s their decision. Why are we further entangling ourselves. Also, how many is this? Is it the reported 28 or more since it’s the “entire fleet”?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:58 pm to junkfunky
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The White House: Imposing a limited no-fly zone over Ukraine
I just don't get it. Why even take the risk of seeing this thing escalate beyond control?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:59 pm to IAmNERD
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Why can't Poland just send them to Ukraine and we replace them for Poland? Why in the world would the US be the ones to give them to Ukraine?
Sounds like a great way to escalate tensions even more. Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Even if that's what everyone agreed on, why announce it to the world?
Yes, that's to put the attention on us rather than the border countries. Goes along with the announced no-fly zone.
Frankly, I'm not a fan.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:00 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Poland, Germany, and US would all have to agree. That way it can't be spun as one rogue NATO nation acting solo. If only all of NATO could pay the replacement costs that would show more solidarity and burden sharing.
Maybe we should just park them and leave the keys in them. Sometimes jets just get stolen, right?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:00 pm to junkfunky
What is this saying exactly? That the US is considering taking that step? WTF are we doing today?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:00 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Foreign Legion
Bert is going to create havoc I have no doubt.
Bert is going to create havoc I have no doubt.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:01 pm to IAmNERD
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Per Biden we're all ready and willing to feel some pain.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:02 pm to Wabbit7
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What is this saying exactly? That the US is considering taking that step? WTF are we doing today?
It's difficult to tell exactly, but the US has refused to impose a no fly zone for the reason that it would escalate the conflict. I read this as a repeat of the US reasons for not doing it.
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