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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/18/25 at 5:56 pm to Lee B
Posted on 2/18/25 at 5:56 pm to Lee B
thanks for the reminder
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:06 pm to AU86
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:25 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:41 pm to cypher
EU Floats Initiative to Provide Ukraine More Military Support
By Alberto Nardelli and Jorge Valero
February 18, 2025 at 2:23 PM CST
The European Union is working on an initiative to provide Ukraine with additional military support as soon as possible this year, according to a document seen by Bloomberg News.
The aim is to deliver at least 1.5 million rounds of artillery ammunition, air defense systems, deep-precision strike missiles and drones, as well as support to train and equip brigades and bolster ties between the defense industries of the EU and Ukraine, the document says.
The EU has been rushing to come up with plans to support Ukraine, provide the country with security guarantees in the event of a peace agreement with Russia and ramp up its own defense spending since Donald Trump set the clock ticking on negotiations with Moscow.
A group of countries met in Paris on Monday to start drawing up their response after US officials at the Munich Security Conference last week said in stark terms that there’s a limit to how much the US is prepared to do. With the overall needs likely to run up to hundreds of billions of euros, one challenge is that member states have differing views on exactly what to do and how to fund it, several officials said. More tangible discussions will be taking place after this weekend’s German elections, the officials said.
The early draft of the initiative seen by Bloomberg doesn’t contain a price tag but suggests that member states would be assigned a financial quota based on the size of their economy and can choose to meet that in-kind or in cash. Non-EU members would also be invited to contribute to the initiative, the document indicates.
The president of the European Council, Antonio Costa, is consulting with member states on how each can contribute to security guarantees and further support for Ukraine, and could call an extraordinary summit of the bloc’s leaders only once there is enough ground to take decisions, an EU official said.
Separately, a European official said the bloc was looking at several options to boost its defense spending and security on a par in ambition with the EU’s Covid response, when the bloc put together a fund of about €800 billion ($836 billion) to help member states’ economies recover from the pandemic. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the EU would take significant decisions in the coming months to face the scale of the challenge.
Bloomberg
By Alberto Nardelli and Jorge Valero
February 18, 2025 at 2:23 PM CST
The European Union is working on an initiative to provide Ukraine with additional military support as soon as possible this year, according to a document seen by Bloomberg News.
The aim is to deliver at least 1.5 million rounds of artillery ammunition, air defense systems, deep-precision strike missiles and drones, as well as support to train and equip brigades and bolster ties between the defense industries of the EU and Ukraine, the document says.
The EU has been rushing to come up with plans to support Ukraine, provide the country with security guarantees in the event of a peace agreement with Russia and ramp up its own defense spending since Donald Trump set the clock ticking on negotiations with Moscow.
A group of countries met in Paris on Monday to start drawing up their response after US officials at the Munich Security Conference last week said in stark terms that there’s a limit to how much the US is prepared to do. With the overall needs likely to run up to hundreds of billions of euros, one challenge is that member states have differing views on exactly what to do and how to fund it, several officials said. More tangible discussions will be taking place after this weekend’s German elections, the officials said.
The early draft of the initiative seen by Bloomberg doesn’t contain a price tag but suggests that member states would be assigned a financial quota based on the size of their economy and can choose to meet that in-kind or in cash. Non-EU members would also be invited to contribute to the initiative, the document indicates.
The president of the European Council, Antonio Costa, is consulting with member states on how each can contribute to security guarantees and further support for Ukraine, and could call an extraordinary summit of the bloc’s leaders only once there is enough ground to take decisions, an EU official said.
Separately, a European official said the bloc was looking at several options to boost its defense spending and security on a par in ambition with the EU’s Covid response, when the bloc put together a fund of about €800 billion ($836 billion) to help member states’ economies recover from the pandemic. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the EU would take significant decisions in the coming months to face the scale of the challenge.
Bloomberg
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:51 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:20 pm to cypher
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:25 pm to John Barron
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Still embarrassed you couldn't count 5 months....That's a big L. Don't feel bad, you NAFO trolls are going to be taking big Ls for a while
First mistake I ever made and you get the credit for messing me up. Take a bow. I know it must really make you proud.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:27 pm to AU86
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What leverage does Ukraine have?
By defending their country and killing Russians they are hurting Russia. That’s obvious.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:34 pm to Lee B
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The Art of the Deal.
Is Trump working for Putin now?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:40 pm to Lee B
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The Art of the Deal.
FAFO. Should have never trusted Biden, what a bunch of idiots.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:50 pm to John Barron
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Surprise. Surprise. Surprise.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:57 pm to doubleb
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By defending their country and killing Russians they are hurting Russia. That’s obvious.
This is a joke right? This is a perfect example of the delusion on this thread. You do realize that Ukraine is losing don't you?
You know what is obvious? Putin doesn't give a damn about troop losses. Their army is actually growing in numbers. You are talking about a country that was willing to sacrifice 700,000 soldiers in Stalingrad alone. The Russian society accepts those type losses. They have forever. Russia has the bodies to continue this war until Ukraine is unable to offer any resistance.
Keep listening to Jake Broe. Bro.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:07 pm to Auburn1968
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It's their country and the non-Russians there have seriously deep seated animosity for Moscow and Putin. Like most countries, they greatly prefer their independence.
That is not leverage for negotiations. Tell that to the Russians and they will laugh at your arse. You people need to look at the current populations inside each country. It takes manpower/troops to win and Ukraine has a shortage if those. Russia doesn't .
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:08 pm to AU86
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This is a joke right? This is a perfect example of the delusion on this thread. You do realize that Ukraine is losing don't you?
While thousands of Russians or dying or getting maimed. While Russia drains its reserves. While Russian industry is attacked and blown up.[
quote]You know what is obvious? Putin doesn't give a damn about troop losses. Their army is actually growing in numbers. You are talking about a country that was willing to sacrifice 700,000 soldiers in Stalingrad alone. The Russian society accepts those type losses. They have forever. Russia has the bodies to continue this war until Ukraine is unable to offer any resistance. [/quote]
It’s a steep price to pay for regaining a nation that you “owned” 35 or so years ago. And what will they achieve if they took it all? A demolished country and thrir issues.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:13 pm to doubleb
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While thousands of Russians or dying or getting maimed. While Russia drains its reserves. While Russian industry is attacked and blown up.[
You folks are in for a shock if Trump doesn't end this.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:13 pm to doubleb
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Is Trump working for Putin now?
We still don't know how this is going to end up in any deal made or not made.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:16 pm to doubleb
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Is Trump working for Putin now?
How is he working against him?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:26 pm to Lee B
Your guy and his bunch tried for three years and fricked everything up.
"As Long as it Takes!!!"
Trump is working for what is best for the US by not dropping anymore more into an unwinnable situation.
He doesn't give a damn about Zelensky or this war other than ending it.
Which is exactly what he should do.
"As Long as it Takes!!!"
Trump is working for what is best for the US by not dropping anymore more into an unwinnable situation.
He doesn't give a damn about Zelensky or this war other than ending it.
Which is exactly what he should do.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:46 pm to AU86
Geez this thread has gone to shite. It’s basically just John Barron’s Russia spamming and three old farts (Lee B, AU86 and doubleb) arguing with each other. Can’t we all just sit back and have a beer and watch as the freeloading Western Europeans who barely delivered a fraction of the aid they promised Ukraine melt on X?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:22 pm to John Barron
ISW Update Feb 18 2025
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Key Takeaways:
Russian and American officials met in Saudi Arabia for bilateral talks about the war in Ukraine on February 18, but Russia continues to display no indications that it is prepared to make any meaningful concessions on Ukraine as assessed by Western intelligence and US officials in line with ISW's longstanding assessment.
Many recent Russian statements show that the Kremlin remains uninterested in engaging in good faith negotiations and retains his objective of destroying the Ukrainian state while the Kremlin has offered no public indication that it would materially compromise.
Many recent Russian statements show that Putin remains uninterested in engaging in good faith negotiations and retains his objective of destroying the Ukrainian state while the Kremlin has offered no public indication that it would materially compromise.
Russian officials at the bilateral meeting continued to signal the Kremlin's unwillingness to negotiate on the war in Ukraine and determination to achieve its maximalist objectives in Ukraine.
Zelensky, in contrast to Kremlin officials, continues to demonstrate Ukraine's willingness to compromise to bring about an enduring end to the war.
Russian officials in Saudi Arabia began what will likely be an ongoing effort to push the United States into accepting Russian offers of economic and investment measures in lieu of any actual Russian concessions on Ukraine.
Dmitriev attempted to frame Russian-offered economic incentives as more beneficial for the US than for Russia, but in reality Russia needs economic relief as soon as possible to stave off looming crises in 2025 and 2026.
US officials continue to meet with European leaders about support for Ukraine.
Russian forces recently advanced near Borova, Toretsk, and Velyka Novosilka.
A Russian milblogger and former Storm-Z instructor continued to complain that the Russian military command's lack of response to systemic issues is limiting Russian advances near Pokrovsk.
Russian opposition outlet SOTA reported on February 18 that Republic of Mordovia Head Artyom Zdunov announced that regional authorities are raising one-time payments for recruits who sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) from 400,000 rubles ($4,369) to 1.1 million rubles ($12,015).
Russian forces continue to deploy wounded and medically unfit soldiers to the frontline in an effort to address personnel shortages.
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