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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:49 pm to
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USAID is just the tip of the iceberg and was an easy target. There are much larger grifts in US spending occurring; I'm looking at you, Medicaid & Medicare.


No kidding chrome, usaid is 50 billion of a 6.5 trillion budget.....does anyone think the rest of the spending is righteous. Its a whole lot easier to thief and hide it in the other 99%.



Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
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But I'm getting drawn off- topic. USAID isn't about Ukraine, except marginally, and the money that was going to Ukraine is not necessary now that Ukraine is getting the $50 billion in loans from frozen Russian assets.

It's really irrelevant to this thread, so I will shut up about and just led the idiocy flow free from the dumbasses


I'm not sure I would go around acting as smug as you do considering how consistently wrong you are on...... almost everything. Only Lee really has you consistently beaten. At least cypher gets paid for it.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:54 pm to
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You're happy to cheer for the damage to your own country. The mangled smoking dogshit is our national security.


You seriously need help...

Musk does business with china......so does the whole fcking US including the govt.

He might want to gut NASA.....they seem to being doing a pretty good job of it themselves.

Let me guess, when he saves a trillion you think we should use it to build nukes and have ukraine start a world war.

Elon is a true treasure to the US and may just save us from ourselves with Trump running lead. Sit back and enjoy the ride, whether it be a short one in ukraines case or another four years of glory for the US
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:55 pm to
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Yeah, it was my taxpayer dollars going to reports on what China was doing, and similar stuff that protects America.


Must have been a lot of reports to take 50 million dollars of condoms to write them on
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:57 pm to
The problem with GOP_Tiger is that he thinks what he, John Bolton and Dan Crenshaw says like really matters.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:02 pm to
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now that Ukraine is getting the $50 billion in loans from frozen Russian assets.


Its not a loan dumbarse. The EU suckered the US into guaranteeing the 50 billion, thats the US not the EU.

We gave iran their funds and the interest. Russia will expect the same.....and guess who is stuck with the bill.

Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Nixon had stuck to his guns and not halted the invasion of Cambodia before cutting the Ho Chi Minn trail then the war would have been over by 1970.


The problem wasn't our ability or even our political will to defeat the NVA. It was the fact that the government in power in Saigon was just as fricked up, corrupt, and ineffective as the one in Hanoi. The country got what it wanted. Or at least what it deserved. It's doing fine now. And the Vietnamese absolutely hate China. So they're a strong potential ally in the future.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20197 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:04 pm to
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GOP_Tiger


Please do us all a favor and do not procreate! We need to weed your type of mental retardation out of the gene pool!
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:23 pm to
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You don't have to suck up performative BS propaganda.


And you don’t have to keep something that’s rotten to the core to keep sons of thee Ed good things. You can tear it down and start over.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:33 pm to
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IMO Putin ultimately just wants Crimea to be recognized as Russian. He needs other stuff out of the war to make it seem worth the cost (especially now), but that is the ultimate prize.


You are way off there. He took Crimea cheap, why get thousands killed and hundreds of thousands injured for Crimes to be recognized as Russian?

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Even if Putin had bit the head off the snake and taken Kyiv in the early weeks of the war, Ukraine still had a large military that wasn't going to just roll over and accept Russian rule. Russia didn't really have enough troops to hold Kyiv from the Ukrainian army even if they took it, or a good way to resupply them.


Remember shock snd awe? You remember American tanks rolling through Kuwait as our aid force cleared the way? Well I thought we’d see the Russian version of that, but instead Russia couldn’t move fast at all.

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In my view the "3 Day Military Operation" was a quick strike to get Ukraine to fold and negotiate swiftly rather than to actually beat Ukraine in that time period. The strength of forces used and allocation of those forces don't match up with the idea that they thought they could just end the war entirely that quickly.


He calculated that Russia would roll into Kharkiv, Kiev, Kherson and Odessa in short order. After that Ukraine would fold like a cheap suit. Obviously they couldn’t because their military want capable. They were a paper Tiger.

Don’t kid yourself. Ukraine was to become another Belarus. Putin’s army couldn’t pull it off.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Its over, its been over.


For years it’s been over, but guess what? The fat lady isn’t even warming up.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:03 pm to
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Well I thought we’d see the Russian version of that, but instead Russia couldn’t move fast at all.


Russia pushed forward with a sizeable but not gigantic force, while also sending in specialized units that are meant to establish control of enemy airfields. Our air force has similar special forces units. Highly specialized troops. They failed and got slaughtered. The plan was to push forward with the ground force and hit them from the back with troops and vehicles coming in via plane. Since the ground force wasn't an overwhelming one, they couldn't take the city without the pincer move via the attack from the rear.

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He calculated that Russia would roll into Kharkiv, Kiev, Kherson and Odessa in short order. After that Ukraine would fold like a cheap suit.


Which is essentially what I said, we just vary on the mechanisms of what they would do from that point.

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You are way off there. He took Crimea cheap, why get thousands killed and hundreds of thousands injured for Crimes to be recognized as Russian?



If it isn't recognized as Russian its status can be used against Russia in the future. Official recognition of territory as belonging to a specific country is actually a huge deal.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Its over, its been over.

Can you tell us when it ended?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Russia pushed forward with a sizeable but not gigantic force, while also sending in specialized units that are meant to establish control of enemy airfields. Our air force has similar special forces units. Highly specialized troops. They failed and got slaughtered. The plan was to push forward with the ground force and hit them from the back with troops and vehicles coming in via plane. Since the ground force wasn't an overwhelming one, they couldn't take the city without the pincer move via the attack from the rear.


Yes and if you contrast tgst with the way the US military performed in Kuwait/Iraq war it was like day and night.

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If it isn't recognized as Russian its status can be used against Russia in the future. Official recognition of territory as belonging to a specific country is actually a huge deal.


Look at the Taiwan situation. China says it’s theirs. Until they can take it back does it matter? Maybe some pointy heads might say it does but who cares?

Look at West Virginia. Some say it was created contrary to our Constitution. Did that matter?

Throughout history we have seen might makes right. No one is going to take Crimea away from Russia. It’s been a done deal.

Now in time Russia could very well Lise Crimea just as they lost Eastern Europe, Ukraine, etc., but it’s not going to happen very soon.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:41 pm to
"Another Ukrainian city (Toretsk) lost to the Russians and
@ZelenskyyUa
is talking about how Russia reengaged the North Korea phantom force in Kursk that is now becoming a Schrödinger problem itself.

According to western pundits and media The North Koreans had suffered such high casualties that they were removed from the front but apparently while a battalion sized unit of the AFU was getting its arse handed to it by fiber optic drones in Kursk the Russians redeployed North Koreans…

Are these the same NK that lost combat capabilities?

Are these new North Koreans sent by Kim?

Are these North Koreans even real?

So many questions but I fear I will never have a remotely decent answer."


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Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 2:42 pm to
Hail Our People

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 3:00 pm to
It’s the ghosts of Pyongyang doing damage.

Are they real? Or the fictional characters of the CIA?

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